Council Meeting January 17, 2016


[13:00] Edge (edgeofreason): Meeting Rules.

If you wish to speak post "?" in local chat.  Type your question/comment ahead but DO NOT post it until invited to speak.  This helps maintain a flow.  Please keep your comments brief and to the point - it is frustrating to wait 5 minutes for someone to type "yes I agree - that happened to me one time when I was ... blah blah blah" :-)

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Thanks!
[13:01] Edge (edgeofreason): Thanks all for attending - it's good to see such a big turnout
[13:01] Edge (edgeofreason): We have a packed agenda so I will not delay but hand straight over to Tantrica to open the meeting
[13:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah, hai ! /smiles
[13:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yes, we have a LOT of stuff to talk about and so we are going to make a strcit time limit on topics
[13:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): after a brief introduciton everyone can say their piece, but obey the rule, that Edge just introduced
[13:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, do NOT just talk randomly into it, or we wil end up in chaos
[13:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): here is a countdown, it will then count down to 0 from 10 minutes, then the topic is over
[13:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, better write your thoughts ahead, the supporters have gotten the agenda also a few hours earlier already
[13:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): here is .. on a first glance, the agenda:
[13:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Green and yellow dots    Alternatives?
Yellow as default dot?    
Land hogging    
Build restrictions    
Full bright items ?    
Gabrian Builder - special offers    
Too many healers?    Why do people want to be healers?
Extras for supporters?    
Natives looking "unnative"    
Group types back?    
More tradeable items?    
More social life - events    Newspaper, Cartographer, Capture the whatever Organizers
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are startign with the green and yellow dots
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): before we discuss this
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want you to consider these things:
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): every single one here is enjoying the amazon with one thing in common:
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): limited ressource of RL spare time
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, expectations are high when people  log in here and then want to enjoy 1-x h
[13:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if then people get captured and did not want that, bad
[13:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if people want to play CaRP and can not - bad
[13:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please consider, the green and yellow dots have been introduced as the way how people want to enjoy this, are very different
[13:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and keeping this a "Pure clean CaRP" area does not fly
[13:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): show me 8 regions that are sole CaRP onbly in SL which are alive and kicking and i wil lbe convinced
[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't know of any
[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, your ideas..
[13:06] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): set 600
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[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start
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[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mark is 1st
[13:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko
[13:07] Syd Straaf: ?
[13:07] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Experience cannot be... experience... without ... experience, Green dots limit  experience of Amazon. And this is not about the CARP considering  people enjoy weaving stories here, build relations of any form.
[13:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. you wish to add?
[13:08] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): No, that is it.
[13:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd please
[13:08] Syd Straaf: I think explorers should always be green dots by default and yellow should not be available until a person is promoted to local. Explorers should be green by default because we have had issues in the past with people coming to photograph or something and getting downed minutes after they arrived even though they never had any intention to rp. If the Amazon is going to allow and encourage people to come for the scenery with no rp necessary then it should be safe for them.
[13:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Syd, a good alternative for sure
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Green until promotion
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yellow for the rest
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you have input announce it please with ? first
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and wait till we call you
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): any input?
[13:09] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): >
[13:09] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons) whispers: ?
[13:09] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[13:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:09] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): question?
[13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dee please first
[13:10] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): spekaing as a fresh new comer to the sim, but long time member of SL *over 10 years), it has been my experience that it is wise to give newcomer a chance to slowly get used to things in the CaRP  style locations.. else it willsometimes bring in bad elements who jsut wnat to abuse and berate non expierienced players  who may jsut be learnign about CaRP, or SL in gneeral.
[13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also a good point
[13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Markos point was good too, by the way - i just saw i did not comment, apologies :)
[13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Emerson?
[13:11] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): yes...are you able to still hunt on green dot being that you are still required to survive?
[13:11] Golden Jewel (rosario81): ?
[13:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no. you can trade for stuff though, word has it there is a hug soup market
[13:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *huge, even
[13:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Golden?
[13:12] Golden Jewel (rosario81): I think explorers should be yellow dots by default. Lots of people come here wanting to experience the amazon..  you dont know how many walk into the bandit camp wanting to engage fully and cant because their dots are green. plus, if the big thing here is experience.. why start them out in an unrealistic way.. Add to that, lots of the rogue rp is in its interactions with Explorers... we always rp and we intimidate and scare.. we dont keep or torture the new players, but we done give them a taste of the underside of the amazon.
[13:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): certainly also a point to consider
[13:12] Golden Jewel (rosario81): do*
[13:12] Tina (tinal96) is not scared of you
[13:12] Jaaid: :p
[13:12] Golden Jewel (rosario81) glares at tina and snarls
[13:13] Edge (edgeofreason): Tina - please do not speak unless you post ? first and are called
[13:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): any other opinions?
[13:13] Jaaid: I
[13:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jaaid?
[13:13] Henry Vyceratops: ?
[13:13] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): ?
[13:13] slut (xx.reyes): >>3 minute warning<<
[13:13] Jaaid: Green dots until by default will take alot of fun out of the Amazon. I think we have seen this and unless we intend to do away with combat altogether, making a person wait until they meet a seeker to be competitive will be very discouraging. Seekers are not so easy to find, especially when you are new and don't really know who you are looking for.
[13:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, also a thought,y es
[13:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry
[13:14] Henry Vyceratops: i feel we should keep it, s there are many people who love ro, but hate fighting. fo them the status quo is a god option . you can rp anything withoutt even needing to draw a weapon
[13:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you also for that...
[13:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Sara?
[13:14] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): green for the new people. at less till they become locals at less some who have green that are locals think they can come and do what they want.  maybe have a mentor for the new ones to help them  till they know the amazon.  I know we have the wisdom cave but sometimes talking to someone, they understand better
[13:14] slut (xx.reyes): >>2 minutes<<
[13:15] Femke Peccable: ?
[13:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also a view, yes.. as you can see, many things to consider and many views are on the table
[13:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Femke?
[13:15] Femke Peccable: can we not introduce a in between step
shooting no carp
[13:15] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[13:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we can, but then i need to scruipt much more..
[13:15] Femke Peccable: after promotion
[13:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) whispers: and i am lazy :D
[13:15] Femke Peccable: ooh ok
[13:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko?
[13:16] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[13:16] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Yellow dot doesnt mean - you are  target, run!-  it means that you can do so much more things then being with green dot. You can still RP your ways around amazon without shooting. (to what have been said already)
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[13:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok yes, thank you
[13:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Yami is last
[13:16] Yamí (tmacho): i think most green dots are new people or people that don't enjoy to do CARP and others that don't have a clue about what that dots as some people fight will green because they don't know anything about it, as my opinion was to put more information about green and yellow dots when some one would come in side the jungle, and the decision would be from the person to choose witch one  would desire to play.
[13:17] Yamí (tmacho): what are that dots *
[13:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok. i thank you you,  honestly, for that input, it is much to consider...
[13:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and mails that i got, were almost all .. emotional.. or passionate
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): since this topic is of importance, i think we will do some more research, talk with people and then find a solution that works for all best
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i understand, honestly, the CaRp players
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you know, when i travel through SL, so many regions are beautiful and pretty
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dead drop boring
[13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Amazon has the spice.. the extra
[13:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we just need to make sure it is not an ego shooter whambam regoin
[13:19] Edge (edgeofreason) nods
[13:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we wil work on that and this talk was important for me.. as to gather ideas
[13:19] Spangle Xenno: agree
[13:19] jipou: sighs
[13:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you sigh and are disappointed that i do ot come up with something
[13:19] Henry Vyceratops: mentors are good idea,  just saying
[13:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): or let vote on it..
[13:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can only say: trust me.. i think i have shown that i have a vague idea about what i am doing,
[13:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and my experience tells me here, to treat carefully
[13:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[13:20] jipou: nono , its that not easy way for making everyone happy
[13:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): true :)
[13:20] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): can we still send emails if we just missed the topic timer ? ;)
[13:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Mentors , yes.. and yes, emails
[13:20] Edge (edgeofreason): And please also respect the meeting rules - please do not make side comments without ? in chat first and being called or we will be here all night :-)
[13:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yes, mentors, and if you think we cut you off, timely reasons, mail me
[13:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not IM; not NC
[13:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, next topic
[13:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Land hogging
Build restrictions
Full bright items ?
[13:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want to introduce it with somethign  thathappened this christmas
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): two suporters left us, because.. that was the official reason.. their "christmas trees" got returned
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) coughs
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that found only limited understanding on my side
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have been editors pick by Linden Lab twice for some reason
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): most regions never get into that ranking
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and only .. 4 or so made it twice there
[13:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we did
[13:23] Spangle Xenno: claps
[13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is like .. michelin star for restaurants
[13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have a very talented landscaper, Gabrian...
[13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and normally, you can trust his judgement
[13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please.. do not let things escalate and if you are unsure, ask first
[13:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i understand that returning items is somethijng not everyone takes lightly
[13:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however... two weeks ago i returned a medieval stone castle (!) from the middle of a riover, that was placed there as a bridge
[13:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i did not wait til hte person came online
[13:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): #Gabrian made also, new, an exhibit
[13:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): old and new mesh
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have mesh now since 4 years, in world
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and like my old mesh outfits look "Meeeeh"
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): same goes for buildings
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the teleporter to this exhibit is at the landing
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): land hogging...
[13:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we decided to not clear up "protected land"...
[13:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as the effect regularly was that the big tribes have so many people and supporters that they are online 24/7...
[13:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and claim in minutes the freed up land
[13:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): new supporters have little chance then
[13:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. now the rule is:
[13:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you see free land, no treees, bushes etc, build
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you see occupied land, bushes, trees, etc.. dont
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you need land, ask Gabrian
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): he has some really good places now, we just decided some public spots to be freed up
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): prime locations
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): he knows them
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): IM him :)
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am sorry that we have to go this path but the las appeals (5 or so in dec) went unheard
[13:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and no
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i do not pinpoint this on Tribe A or Tribe B
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no personal feelings there
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): my aim #1 is:
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): less IMs when i wake up, less trouble when i read duringmy breakfast what piled up :)
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think you wwould want the same
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if there are questions ask now, i set the time :)
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): set 600
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[13:28] MultiClock V1.7: Please say 'start' to start the Countdown or set a other Countdown
[13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start
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[13:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i see all silent...
[13:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ?
[13:29] slut (xx.reyes): ?
[13:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): slut
[13:29] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): ?
[13:29] slut (xx.reyes): re: build restrictionsI see a lot of hovertext in the camps and it is visually detracting; It isn't specifically listed in the building guidelines but I'd ask that we try to minimize the use wherever possible. it seems almost every camp has several barrels of tradeitems with floating hovertext over them and that just looks wrong.
[13:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes! good poiint..
[13:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i wil send out a text script soon that will show hovertext.. on touch
[13:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and makes it vanish after x seconds
[13:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Emerson?
[13:30] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): just curious...as an intense rper and someone rping a doctor from America, i would have items that represent who i am i.e., a bbq grill or ice cooler. And around the holidays I would rp that special day too..Christmas trees would be ideal for that scene..yes?
[13:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you explain to me how you get such a tree with needles n stuff into the tropical climate without it being dead withindays.. sure
[13:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if it loks ugly...
[13:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i kill it
[13:31] Elea (elea.andretti): ?
[13:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Elea?
[13:31] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): lol
[13:32] Elea (elea.andretti): then YT if you do an over text, perhaps it could be better to then do a groupe giver with text on touch with it..
[13:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can do that also. if you have script wishes (small scripts, simple stuff) mail me
[13:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i add it to the texture resource box
[13:33] Elea (elea.andretti): thank you
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): other opinions?
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yay we saved 5 minutes
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): stop
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[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok..
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): side note:
[13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gabrian offers Landscaping services.. 15 miutes per panel per 2 weeks, of his personal RL time, for you...
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): more then ond emand, but not for free, as, like i said, it is his RL time
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, consider:
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): his inventory is probably bigger than yours and mine together...
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): he has stuff you would need to buy first
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and he is willing to rezz it out for you paired with his skills
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you can't find a better deal, just saying
[13:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now, lets see on the list what else we have
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah now...
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): to the next topic i want your input right away:
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Too many healers?    Why do people want to be healers?
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you have the floor, give me feedback please
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): set 600
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[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start
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[13:35] Femke Peccable: ?
[13:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Femke?
[13:35] Femke Peccable: Healers/shamans we have a lot thats perhaps the most logical choice with a green dot.
But i wonder if there are really passionated healers.. I suggest the the HP starts same as local. and get temp upgraded if they real start healing.
[13:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good thought
[13:36] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): ?
[13:36] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[13:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Valcain
[13:36] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): the hits points they want to be healers for the hit points and not do the job and i feel it should be harder to be a healer  cause many are not trained in healing and many  time before i became a healer  i called out for one and walked around and found many of them standing afk
[13:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have to say, yes, i get many similar reports
[13:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[13:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko?
[13:37] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): (skip me please)
[13:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:37] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): ?
[13:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Emerson please
[13:37] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): as a healer i found some think that you main rp is to run and serve them when in short you may have some be doing something entirely different...they also think you can be bullied and not defend cuz it is not "healer like"
[13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, good thought
[13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i spotted similar recently too
[13:38] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): we have rp stories too
[13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): indeed
[13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): other thoughts?
[13:38] Jaaid: ?
[13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jaaid
[13:39] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): ?
[13:39] Spangle Xenno: ?
[13:39] CocoaBerri: ?
[13:39] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[13:39] Jaaid: I feel its unrealistic to pigeonhole the healer rp into just a zen loving medicine man or woman. I for one am a rogue, a Bandit and me and my group are often involved in fighting. I also find it to be OOC when people request healers in Amazon River chat. If I am not doing anything I'll respond..but Im not going to leave an rp for it.
[13:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right, remidn me also, later one Topic came to the agenda via notecard by marko.. connected to this
[13:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Jaaid
[13:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Queenie?
[13:40] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): Why can healers not hunt, or can they?
[13:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sure they can with boomerang
[13:40] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): ok:0)
[13:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle please :)
[13:40] Spangle Xenno: i wanted to be a shaman when i first came to amazon, i have an interest in real shaman of the amazon,,  but its very hard to replicate in SL and since the new hud changes i am not interested in that role now, i think they have their use tho, but too there are too many and they are basically just medics in combat,, traditionally a tribe would have one shaman and maybe an apprentice, much more and the 'magic'  is lost
[13:40] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): just curious
[13:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i hear you, Spangle :)
[13:41] jipou: ?
[13:41] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[13:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa
[13:41] CocoaBerri: have you thought of setting a limit on healers? and assignment by availability?
[13:41] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[13:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes - i hav ethought about it, but like with everything in SL, the availability in a roleplay position is always subject to RL availability,... so  - not reliable..
[13:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but yes, a valid thought
[13:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DeeDee
[13:42] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): i have more of a question , what if any training is required to become a healer in the amazon more than jsut saying "i want to be a healer"  what expectations or requirements are ther. e
[13:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they need to RP with the seekers
[13:42] slut (xx.reyes): <<3 minute warning>>
[13:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they get also denied .. some
[13:42] Henry Vyceratops: ?
[13:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the seekers are actually one very important quality control step
[13:43] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[13:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, some seem to "just live RPwise" for that seeker day
[13:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then fall back to.. OOC
[13:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): I don't know why
[13:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): jipou pls
[13:43] jipou: what is the point about "too much" healers? Good for them if they enjoy the role, good for us when we need one, more we have better it is .. so, where is the problem?
[13:43] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): ?
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah... well, themagic is lost, is like i make everyone a seeker or everyone a guard
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): healers should be a rare valuable resource
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i need to find a way to achieve that
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yami
[13:44] Yamí (tmacho): My opinion its that some  people are becoming healers/shamans  because  the amount of HP and not about the real meaning of being a healer (just to help on the fight and make healing rps )  since  the rules to healers are not to fight some don't understand  that  the HP that they have its just a "help " to keep them alive on the fight to help others, but if the healers would be able to fight i would vote for doing them have the same HP as the rest of the players.
[13:44] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): ?
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. good point
[13:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko?
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[13:44] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Healer/shaman of amazon role can be simple, and complex. While healers are helping others, who said a shaman cannot be wicked? Its an option to explore besides trade and carp. Besides many enjoy "Getting in trouble" and later on "Require"  medic's attention. Perhaps we could review  "What the healer/shaman" in amazon is in the future and i support Spangle there, Way to go for magic! (reasonable, not out of the blue sorts)
[13:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry
[13:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Marko :)
[13:45] Henry Vyceratops: i feel the healer role is unbalanced right now.many want t fight and with 15 hp and unlimited mmo they ae fighting machines.   maybe the whole thing should be reworked to make it more balanced . while i also understand some want to be able to fight
[13:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Henry :)
[13:45] justlarge01: they should be easier to find, when needed, not just in combat, but everyday life in the amazon, perhaps, a red dot, to spot when nedded?
[13:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DeedDee
[13:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): -d
[13:45] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): my thought woudl be make sure that they arent jsut good RP'rs but also have the famialiary withthe OOC means to heal someone as well as anysupplies to do so.. i ahve heard and experience issue with healers not having a cure needed
[13:45] Edge (edgeofreason): justlarge - please do not comment without a ? first and wait to be called
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[13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you DeeDee...
[13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dalla ?
[13:46] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): Just to say it is interesting that there is an excess, as in the Tapi we actually have a shortage of active healers right now, ( we split our shaman and healers into two RP “roles”) I am actually trying to train some new ones for RP purposes, as part of our day to day tribal roleplay quite apart from the CaRP stuff.
[13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, i saw that too.. and yes, interesting
[13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Valcain?
[13:46] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): as a healer here i find it to easy to get the healer tag.. i think some training should be given and the shaman/healer that trains them go with them to the seeker  thenthe new healer search fo r what theey need  for the cure they are working on. this way teh seeker can find out if they where trained. healers are not a fighting role  they are a support role
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good point
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, so i take from thjis...
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will rework the healer...
[13:47] Femke Peccable: ?
[13:47] Edge (edgeofreason): Sorry Femke - the topic is closed now
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we wil have "in between" certificates, like yearly checkups...
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): or weekly checkups
[13:47] Femke Peccable: ok
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): etc
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that topic was for me also to gain insight on your views
[13:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): lets se what we have
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): one mail i got, a single voice, so far....
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "more extras for supporters"
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no idea what that could be..
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as i don't believe L$ should buy RP advantages
[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i rely on youir ideas?
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[13:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please feed me
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[13:49] Henry Vyceratops: milk and cookes when you log in to amazon
[13:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nooo one ?
[13:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): weeeell
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[13:50] Spangle Xenno: heh
[13:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. *if* you have ideas, thoughts, wishes -> email please
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now..
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): another bullet that flew in via mail
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want to hear your thoughts on these two, as they are connected
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Natives looking "unnative"
Group types back?
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): for the newer ones:
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we had earlier tags like "Amazon NAtive" and "Amazon Rogue"
[13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now it is all "Locals"
[13:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the mail suggested to bring  those titles back
[13:52] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): ?
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[13:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Queenie
[13:52] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): What personifies a native here?
[13:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah... weeeeelll
[13:52] Golden Jewel (rosario81): ?
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we had earlier "Amazon Native" and clear restrictions
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but we have meanwhile i guess 20 tribnes and settler gorups
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and all individual backstory
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so we said all "locals"
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and leave the definition to the tribe
[13:53] Edge (edgeofreason): The Blog offers guidelines as to appearance etc.
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Golden?
[13:53] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): Got it so it's not a look then?
[13:53] Femke Peccable: ?
[13:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is guidelines
[13:54] Golden Jewel (rosario81): when I got here I couldn’t even be a native because I had red hair, even with my very dark skin. I had a clear and defined rp story, but still no go. Now there are people who are “Natives” who are whiter than the natives of Switzerland, with blond and red hair, and blue eyes. Even leaders of a tribes. Kinda takes away from the realism of the amazon. If the amazon is indeed trying to emulate the feel of the real amazon, no christmas trees, minimal modern conveniences.. how are the natives not native looking?
[13:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yes, Golden, i hear you there.. and it was me who denied her the native tag
[13:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yes, valid
[13:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Femke?
[13:55] Femke Peccable: Healers/shamans we have a lot thats perhaps the most logical choice with a green dot.
But i wonder if there are really passionated healers.. I suggest the the HP starts same as local. and get temp upgraded if they real start healing.
[13:55] Femke Peccable: sorry
[13:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i guess that was the wrong copy/paste :)
[13:55] Femke Peccable: Just want to point out that making new things to test the healers has no sense.
As seeker you see complete instructions going around..
AND agree to get the differences back. native settler rogue wildlife
[13:55] Femke Peccable: Just want to point out that making new things to test the healers has no sense.
As seeker you see complete instructions going around..
AND agree to get the differences back. native settler rogue wildlife
[13:55] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): ?
[13:55] Edge (edgeofreason): Femke - the healer topic is already closed. We are on 'native appearance' now
[13:55] Femke Peccable: copy went wrong
[13:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Valcain?
[13:55] Edge (edgeofreason): ah ok :-)
[13:56] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): i say if they dont look native ,, they cap strip and jail them till they learn how to look the part they are playing,, and seekers shouldnt give them tag till they do. i have looked at pictures on the web of people that live in the amazon they are more of hispanic desent then african and most natives i say are very dark skined
[13:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok. i think we will vote on this :)
[13:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): more views?
[13:56] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[13:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yami?
[13:56] Yamí (tmacho): The amazon rogues was good because the organizations/tribes more focused on CARP could find out the ones seeking for a more danger life or even not target to native life  as the amazon natives was a good point to the tribes find out  natives to recruit , about natives not dressing as natives or looking i just say that is own responsibility of each chief  / tribe since each tribe have own storylines.
[13:57] Spangle Xenno: !
[13:57] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[13:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good point to consider too
[13:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): spangle, was that a request?
[13:57] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): ?
[13:57] đєηisє (denise.arnott): ?
[13:57] Spangle Xenno: just a statement,,,, personally i like the local status thing,, it makes it clear who is with a tribe/faction and who is not
[13:57] jipou: ?
[13:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DeeDee?
[13:58] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): i dont really fit into the native or rogue tab and considered myself more of a settler profile as put into the blog ..explainign myhair and skinton in a way that stillmakes sense.  would that be another tag option
[13:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have settler, yes
[13:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Sara?
[13:58] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): as far as looking native, alot of people dont have the L's to spend but I was pale and red head, but I rped that the amazon sun tanned me and the red dye come out.  It is all on the rp.  so some just need to rp them changing.
[13:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, also true. looks cost L$ sometimes, and we don't want to force people to that
[13:58] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[13:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Denise?
[13:59] Marce Akroyd-Moraff (marce.moraff): Free Outift for new comer?
[13:59] đєηisє (denise.arnott): if this is concidered a modern amazon..with guns, helicopters and whatnot, then a native can also look somewhat modern in my opinion..times change  even in the amazon....look up tribes in the real amazon and see them wearing t-shirts and jeans
[13:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marce keep the order please, first ? then wait
[13:59] slut (xx.reyes): <<3 minute warning>>
[13:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes Denise, valid
[13:59] CocoaBerri: ?
[13:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): jipou?
[13:59] Mimi (mimileonor): ?
[14:00] jipou: well, i guess we can deal with white skinned people as "native's adopted" as long they wear appropriate outfits .. and follow the tribe's rules. Closing doors to personal rp could be a bit too much for me, i appreciate this freedom to rp the "changes from a white explorer lost" to a great proud native hunter .. my opinion ..
[14:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good point
[14:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko?
[14:01] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): If anyone interested, we developed a stable IC was of changing from pale to... whatever (realistically) Thanks to the  jungle spirits.
[14:01] Syd Straaf: ?
[14:01] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Way*
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cool
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa?
[14:01] CocoaBerri: each tribe have a acceptable tan they can offer their new member
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nice!
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mimi?
[14:01] slut (xx.reyes): <<1 minute remaining>>
[14:01] Elea (elea.andretti): ?
[14:01] Mimi (mimileonor): just as a point of detail, i think it's generally believed that the people of the Amazon came originally from Asia/Oceania :)
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sweet
[14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:02] Syd Straaf: I just want to point out that group types don't help a whole lot when most people wear the tag of their tribe or group. So while I do agree that people should be looking their part, I don't think group types will make a whole lot of difference.
[14:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which is why  we skipped them in the end, yes
[14:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as no one was wearign hte amazon tag anymore :) but the "Tribe A" or "Faction B" tag
[14:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): brb
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[14:02] Edge (edgeofreason): Ok - topic closed
[14:03] Edge (edgeofreason): We will take a brief 'breather' while Tantrica deals with hr distraction
[14:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, we can vote..
[14:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we vote for this:
[14:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh..
[14:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i just see
[14:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Elea had an opinion
[14:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then we add that first
[14:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Elea?
[14:04] slut (xx.reyes): I think syd did also
[14:04] Syd Straaf: I stated mine
[14:05] jipou: sorry, maybe frozen :(
[14:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Elea?
[14:06] Edge (edgeofreason): I think she crashed
[14:06] Edge (edgeofreason): I don't see her here
[14:06] jipou: so do i
[14:06] Elea (elea.andretti): ohsorry i thought the topic closes
[14:06] Jezzie Kutenai (jezeabelle): I see her
[14:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): do you want that group tags in the amazon reflect the factoin part again, considering  even that many won't wear it? as they use their local tribe tags? vote YES now, if you want that, and ONLY vote if you are a supporter. IF YOU DO NOT PAY A PANEL HERE; DO NOT VOTE
[14:06] Elea (elea.andretti): i rp sewing loin.. and offer to the one rp me
[14:06] Edge (edgeofreason): go ahead please Elea
[14:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, vote.. yes if you want that
[14:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we vote now
[14:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start now please
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[14:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): who wants different tags, says "yes"
[14:07] Terrrence: Yes
[14:07] Femke Peccable: yes
[14:07] CocoaBerri: yes
[14:07] Golden Jewel (rosario81): yes. to me its not about wearing a tag, its about helping someone who isnt used to rp, define their role in the jungle
[14:07] Anie (annie.octavia): Yes
[14:07] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): Yes
[14:07] jipou: yay
[14:07] Elea (elea.andretti): yes
[14:07] Soaewe (rongibbs): Yes
[14:07] Marce Akroyd-Moraff (marce.moraff): Yes
[14:07] Gabrian Lynx (gothicgaylord): yes
[14:07] Valcain Del Moore (valcain.rosenfeld): yes
[14:07] harris baily (harris.baily): yes
[14:07] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): yes
[14:07] justlarge01: y
[14:08] lilsweety (lilsweets): y
[14:08] ĄŨβЯĨE (aubriefea): yes
[14:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "ok?
[14:08] Syd Straaf: no, just to be contrary ;)
[14:08] Henry Vyceratops: me too lol
[14:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then now everyone who does NOT want the gorup tags differnt
[14:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): say "NO"
[14:09] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): - indifferent - it doesnt matter what tag it is, in group or not. We do not read them anyway.! So what does it matter?
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[14:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think that vote is clear
[14:09] Henry Vyceratops: no, just to have one saying no at all
[14:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will restablish tags
[14:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): More tradeable items...
[14:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we were asked for it
[14:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it will come
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have a generic script that you can stuff into stuff to sell stuff for stuff
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but we are testing it
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not that we are gamed again like with  the soup mafia
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): watch this space
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now we come to the next topic, that is nothijg to vote on..
[14:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is something.. where i need your help :)
[14:11] Ember (samar.ricantaur): yes
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am often asked "can we not do this or that?"
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. we can !
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): keyword is "we"
[14:11] Golden Jewel (rosario81): ?
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because, i can not organize hunts, events, capture the whatever, make maps etc
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have sseen from a few members, already very good hunts
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there was something with roses for example
[14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and others..
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i loved it
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): please.. if you want to do stuff, do it.. and we wil help
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will even buy items if needed, as Fullperm and script them to your needs. and set up the prize givers
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but what i slacking is "time"
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *is lacking
[14:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so what we need is:
[14:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people who organize and run events - like "capture the flag"
[14:13] Golden Jewel (rosario81): ?
[14:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people who produce value, like "a map, inworld with all treasurte of the amazon" - which you can sell for amazon coins
[14:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people who produce mesh content, like jewelry, or texture,s with appliers, like make up.. etc
[14:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): see, the latest crystal cave queset,-...
[14:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): took me one day..
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): where 3 hours of that was the tattoos and all appleirs to it
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you see my point .)
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have one volunteer for a newspaper already, thank you for that
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and .. the bullet point i tatwas  added,..
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko offered to run Roleplay classes
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you for that too !
[14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is dearly needed
[14:15] Spangle Xenno: nods
[14:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now let me start the timer, and Edge counted the ?-marks
[14:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): set 600
[14:15] MultiClock V1.7: Countdown sets to 600 Secound (0:10:0)
[14:15] MultiClock V1.7: Please say 'start' to start the Countdown or set a other Countdown
[14:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start
[14:15] MultiClock V1.7: Startet.
[14:15] MultiClock V1.7: Say 'stop' to stop the Timer
[14:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Golden please
[14:16] Golden Jewel (rosario81): Its not that we went more items, but more areas and different types of items. But to have fruit or spades on their land doesnt really work for bandits. Like, would be nice to have something bandity for people to steal or come collect. Right now, ive set up a bag and am using my personal coins to add to it, so people can RP coming in and stealing coin. And we get robbed, A LOT. lol.  It would be nice to see something for rogues and settlers. Seems they are the least thought of in the jungle.
[14:16] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[14:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is actually my point, Jewel. i try to consider everyone. if you feel underreprestend, then make your own action, like that bag that gets robbed. very clever, very cool, power to you. but i am not neglecting you
[14:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i actually need more of own initaitive :)
[14:17] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ignore mine
[14:17] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[14:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yami?
[14:17] Golden Jewel (rosario81): oh, i didnt mean it that way.. just that that it would be nice to have something
[14:17] Yamí (tmacho): I think its very important to the ones that have a fraction / tribe or anything that may be considered as a group, to make events  to keep the members as rest of the amazon having fun and interaction whit each others.
[14:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Golden :)
[14:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, Yami.. my point
[14:18] Henry Vyceratops: ?
[14:18] Syd Straaf: ?
[14:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will suport you with any event, you want to run (ok, no zyngo, no greedy, no "come as you are best in lolol club)
[14:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry?
[14:19] Spangle Xenno: ?
[14:19] Henry Vyceratops: i will help anyone organizig things, and we will have envents at least once a qaurter, bt what i hated is people come, and offer just a sentence expecting me to work out something like the hunt. i will do it, but i would need people with some notecards schmemed ideas .
[14:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes.. that is what i mean, .. i get them too.. like "we can run X and then Y" and the "we" boils down to "you script and organize that please " :) i would love to, but yah, time..
[14:20] Henry Vyceratops: so of someone wants to do something, i wll help, but something more ehm elaboarated would be nice
[14:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so yes, if you have ideas, please do them
[14:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[14:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:21] Syd Straaf: never mind.. please skip me
[14:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle
[14:21] Spangle Xenno: i loved the cap the gods games we had a while back, and they were popular,,  we need more events like that,, also some training days in the arena might be worth thinking about, like mini tournaments and games that get everyone involved,  like a fun meet and greet event,,
[14:21] Mimi (mimileonor): ?
[14:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle, good point! please.. organize them! :) or build a team that does
[14:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[14:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i love these ideas
[14:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mimi?
[14:22] Mimi (mimileonor): I think we can do a lot with simple social events, the recent soup thing at the Xoco camp was fun and a good way to meet people. Dancing is also fun, if there are a few people at a camp and feel like dancing, why not put a message out and invite people along?
[14:22] Spangle Xenno: aye aye captain  hehe
[14:22] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): ?
[14:22] slut (xx.reyes): <<3 minutes remaining>>
[14:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): totally correct. you can use AZ group chat for that too
[14:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dalla?
[14:23] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): Perhaps also  some non organised ’go to’ interactive items which we can weave a little short term RP story and competition round on the spur of the moment …. like an archery range, or wrestling ring are the first examples spring to mind. I just set up a small mud wrestling pit in our village, just to see if it gets any use !
[14:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nice idea too
[14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so.. we can maybe agree on that: RP events, ideas, storylines...  please use the "Mouthpiece of the Gods....
[14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want also to explain why:
[14:24] slut (xx.reyes): <<1 minute remains>>
[14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the mouthpiece sends out the message to all guards, to all seekers and to all admings.. the chance that someone from the admin team has then a good addition to that is higher than when you Im me
[14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): send your input via that frog
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and it won't get lost
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and with that..
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[14:25] MultiClock V1.7: 'set' to set an new countdown or change the Mode
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we conclude the official part
[14:25] Edge (edgeofreason): :-)
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i add now 15 minutes open questions
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so you can ask away
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): set 900
[14:25] MultiClock V1.7: Countdown sets to 900 Secound (0:15:0)
[14:25] MultiClock V1.7: Please say 'start' to start the Countdown or set a other Countdown
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): start
[14:25] MultiClock V1.7: Startet.
[14:25] MultiClock V1.7: Say 'stop' to stop the Timer
[14:25] Edge (edgeofreason): Please use the ? protocol
[14:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): wahtever you want to ask, with ? first
[14:26] Soaewe (rongibbs): ?
[14:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Soawe?
[14:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): +e
[14:26] Soaewe (rongibbs): do we not have too much food or Coins?
[14:26] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): ?
[14:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, we have to look into this issue. indeed. we want to limit that also
[14:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Emerson?
[14:26] Golden Jewel (rosario81): ?
[14:27] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): is playing an evil doctor or scientist too much for the healer role? suggestions?
[14:27] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[14:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is perfectly fine..
[14:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as much as poisoned soup is
[14:27] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): :)
[14:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[14:27] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[14:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Golden?
[14:28] Golden Jewel (rosario81): Maybe make some things expire that are editable.  after a certain amount of time in your inventory
[14:28] Terrrence: ?
[14:28] Golden Jewel (rosario81): that would create a supply and demand
[14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we experimented with that. it was easy to game (cheat) .. we will need to think aboiut more
[14:28] Golden Jewel (rosario81): not too much food or coin
[14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[14:28] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[14:28] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): ?
[14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DeeDee?
[14:28] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): did we not talk about more tradable possible items that was listed onthe agenda?
[14:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, we have the gneric scriopt ready and do some tests on that
[14:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): expect it next week
[14:29] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): oh caus ei ahd some tideas to offerbut i willwait then
[14:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Terrence?
[14:29] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): ?
[14:29] Terrrence: Is it possible for the dots to be made slightly bigger or in some way more noticeable
[14:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): bigger dots, yes. we can do that
[14:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yami?
[14:30] Terrrence: thank you
[14:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:30] Yamí (tmacho): It could have a way to vote in here the meetings whit out names making it anonymous ?  since on the past i had seen some subjects that people was just following friends votes or not wanting "confusions"   and not even voting about the real matter, as i talk by myself  over some matters that i had not vote because of that.
[14:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): anonymous voting.. i will see what i can do about that.. i think it will be a script, yes
[14:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dalla?
[14:30] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): We have been missing the handy supporter prim counter tool in the HUD for a while, any updates on it’s possible return ?
[14:30] Mimi (mimileonor): ?
[14:31] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ?
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah! on my agenda, i wanted first to make the mushrooms important again :) this month
[14:31] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): ok thanks :)
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mimi?
[14:31] Mimi (mimileonor): I would like to see high heels banned in the Amazon :)
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there are?
[14:31] Spangle Xenno: hehe
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): high heels are instant arrest
[14:31] Mimi (mimileonor): good :)
[14:31] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly) applauds mimi
[14:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like.. yah.. lock away
[14:31] Syd Straaf: sweet
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): bling too
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aaaaand
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): FACE-LIGHTS !
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i see facelights
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ugly
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): arrest them please
[14:32] Yamí (tmacho): ?
[14:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DeeDee?
[14:32] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): i looked back and read about it.my idea wasnt so much jsut for trade goods but acutal useful items for food and healing ..  heres a list of mostly basic types of thing i think could be added

Clean water sources (which could also add a bit of combat /rogue to posion them as well)
some type of wheat/grain
rice
bread... the most basic bread is flour and water (could use corn instead of wheat)
potatoes/yucca
other fruits
cooking the meats
a basic clay oven used for cooking the meat/bread

cloth/leather source
bandages
[14:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nice! good list
[14:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you
[14:33] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): ?
[14:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Yami?
[14:33] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): ?
[14:33] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): ?
[14:33] Yamí (tmacho): if using high heels  to kill some one i would get on problems ? :)
[14:33] Spangle Xenno: ?
[14:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): evryone can kill (yellow) as long as it is reported to the mouthpiece
[14:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Queenie?
[14:34] Yamí (tmacho): seems legit
[14:34] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): Yes, some like myself like to wear facelights for photos, is this not permitted?
[14:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): for a picture,.. yah.. it can be ok..
[14:34] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): ?
[14:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but there are people who wear them 24/7 -
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and they look like a football stadium ploughing through the woods
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that makes Gabrian and me wince in pain
[14:35] Queenie Sharpshire (queenie.easterwood): ok
[14:35] Henry Vyceratops: ?
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Sara?
[14:35] Sara Aytie (sara.genesis): I would like to maybe set up a scavenger hunt get all the tribes to come with an idea of what to give and come up with clues on how to find it.  but would need input from everyone to see what they would think. I would like everyones idea on it.
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, you have heard her, IM her
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Sara! :)
[14:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marko?
[14:36] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Is it possible to make sure  that amazon guards do not abuse power they are given? And is there a list of "You got in cage, here is why!?" to read on?
[14:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we had so far one guard who was .. not living up to my expectations
[14:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are monitoring the guards
[14:37] Marko Saaresto (twilightheater): Thank you
[14:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and the current guard team has my trust
[14:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): each arrest is reported  to the leader team.. like when you go to the mouthpiece
[14:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so all seekers are also informed
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): within the leader team we are very transparent and open, but we don't discuss it outside, also to protect the arrested person
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in other words, we do not brag about their behaviour
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think they would not want that
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you're welcome
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle?
[14:38] Spangle Xenno: on the day night cycle,, i liked it on the first day, when it got very dark, i actually got lost a few times too,,,  at the moment i think night is a bit short and a bit too 'blue' it kinda looks weird, not sure what others think, but i liked the darkness..
[14:38] Dr. Emerson B. Haziel (emerson63): mhm
[14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D i changed it as i got IMs "this is too dark!" :)
[14:39] Spangle Xenno: aww really?   a free torch maybe?
[14:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will play with it :)
[14:39] Marce Akroyd-Moraff (marce.moraff): torchs
[14:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dalla?
[14:39] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): Following up on DeeDee’s point, sorta… long term idea .. a means of farming for corn/chicken/bananas etc  could be interesting and a reason for being part of a tribe too, and some good RP roles ..oh and I ‘love’ the dark it really makes for great fire parties and is cool with a torch
[14:40] slut (xx.reyes): <<1 minute remains>>
[14:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the generic script came up when i saw all these fields that brought "produce"
[14:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we aim for that you get  itmes that you can mod.. and then farm your own lettuce, banana, etc
[14:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the soup mafia has tought  us some
[14:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but it neds to be done with thought
[14:41] MultiClock V1.7: Time if Over.
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[14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry?
[14:41] Dalla Tapira (dee.firefly): noted .. interesting :)
[14:41] Henry Vyceratops: can we have a mandatory basic bow for newbies? they rely all the time on the weapons huds, and a basic supersimple bow that is mandatory for learning how it works would really help them to understand it . just until they leave explorer status . or we have mentors. it would greatly reduce endless discussions about i did hit  10 times directly...
[14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is
[14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "bow of resililence"
[14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in the hunters tomb
[14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right on glint
[14:41] Henry Vyceratops: oh ok,never used it
[14:41] Elea (elea.andretti): it work really well
[14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good
[14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now.. we are finish for today.. i thank you you all for your time and i really loved the input
[14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am happy
[14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that i have such a community
[14:42] DeeDee Mistwallow (daisydeannemelons): ☆ Ooohh ¥αααץ! \☻/
[14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you know.. i was asked if i want to also try the "Avi Choice Award" for 2016
[14:42] Henry Vyceratops: milk and cookies now for supporte please
[14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): my thought is, we  don't need some outsider certificate to know we are cool
[14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so i said politley "thank you "
[14:43] village bike (brianna.aldridge) tickles her owners foot and whispers .. you were wonderful as usual.
[14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because, i think a community like this,.. is rare
[14:43] Femke Peccable: ice cream
[14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smilese
[14:43] Daphne Mistwood: smiles
[14:43] Mimi (mimileonor): tahnk you...so good to hear an intelligent and respectful discussion
[14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you all have a beautiful day
[14:43] Edge (edgeofreason): Thank you Tantrica for all your input to the meeting - and htank you to everyone who has attended, and for makign the Amazon such a great place to live and play
[14:43] Terrrence: Thank you Yt , Edge, VB and Slut

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