Saturday, November 24, 2018

OOC Open Discussion - Verbatim Transcript


This thee hour meeting covers a lot of ground, but I encourage you to spend some time to read the comments and questions, and Tantrica's observations and replies.


[12:00:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hello everyone and thank you for coming...
[12:00:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): this meeting, the purpose is that you can talk to all your other peers on the same level...
[12:00:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): while we  are here stop NOW please all "Hello" and "Hai" and "weldcome " and whatever...
[12:00:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is just distracting..
[12:01:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i  will let run a zero tolerance to such haha lool, wb, welcom,e and such
[12:01:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): only this way we can run such a meeting without sinking into chaos...
[12:02:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): another VERY important point:
[12:02:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you see the cube in front of me.. when you want to say something.. CLICK first the cube.. then WAIT until we tell you that you can speak
[12:02:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DO NOT simply chat along.. that will lead to nothing but chaos
[12:02:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the rules are behind me on the wall..
[12:03:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): please read them...
[12:03:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): for the start i want to introduce something i just learned a couple of days ago, two players IMed me...
[12:03:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will call them Jane Doe and John Doe, to protect the innocent...
[12:03:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i swear, it is not made up...
[12:04:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jane IMs me: "Tantrica, John pissed in my mouth and ran away - is that roleplay?
[12:04:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i IM John "You did what?"
[12:04:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): John replies "Jane smeared shit in my face a day before..."
[12:04:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i IM Jane "you did what?"
[12:05:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jane replies "John started it..."
[12:05:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you see my dilemma? that is such a kindergarten level that i simply stopped investigating, went to  a dance club and danced...
[12:05:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not my cup of tea
[12:05:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would rather hope that you all are more adult than that.. and  i think often it is just.. uhm.. misunderstandings?
[12:06:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and moments of heated adrenaline kicks in metered combat?
[12:06:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am sure, if everyone here keeps in mind that the other person is an adult who wants to have fun here too and that we all have respect towards each other that we will have a jolly time
[12:06:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now.. we can start
[12:07:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and cocoa has the floor
[12:07:19] CocoaBerri: Thank you
[12:09:10] CocoaBerri: I would like to address some recent events that are just causing all kinds of problems..I will start with this..why is it that some people think it is their job to snoop around camps looking for things to report
[12:09:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[12:09:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): veryone can answer, click the cube if you wish to do so
[12:10:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however.. basically, staff, that means all in leader chat.. depend of course on open eyes and ears.. Baron and i can't run through all 11 regions every day and find wrong setups
[12:10:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, i, for once, am thankful for any report
[12:11:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we do not clean up *every* reported item
[12:13:12] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): when i wanted to see the herbs you had you accused  me of the same
[12:13:51] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I was actually told to check on Tribs and others herbs
[12:14:15] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I asked you first
[12:14:33] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i trued to rp it with you
[12:14:39] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i was met with insults and rudeness so i went and looked
[12:15:23] CocoaBerri: "Amd did I not tell you ooc to go right ahead? everytrthing else was rp
[12:15:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Finish Syrissa?
[12:15:51] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i was not snooping
[12:15:52] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): yes
[12:16:19] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): On the subject of reports. Everyone here is measured by the same yardstick. Whether we are supporter or not a supporter, the rules remain the same. If someone sees something in my camp I am open to be disciplined/reminded, like anyone else. So, I see no reason to have isses with people making reports.
[12:17:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. and yes i have also cut down camps of supporters and even mentors. speaking of it: some individuals tried to construct a story like "tantrica supports X and Y more than the others" - this is insulting and will be met with a ban
[12:17:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i hope that was clear
[12:17:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Now, Preostan please
[12:17:55] Preostan Scribe: That opens a topic, besides the snooping, what means this 'reporting', what might and might not be worth reporting?
[12:18:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you can and should report sculpts, ugly buildings, non pickable doors...
[12:18:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dickhead behaviour...
[12:18:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): such things :)
[12:18:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara ?
[12:18:56] Liu  Jiao (zer0dawn): what about doors that dont open at all? i removed the scripts from one of mine cause i dont use it
[12:19:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zero, use the cube if you want to talk. this question of yours will be ignored
[12:19:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara, your turn.
[12:19:42] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): i sending my question
[12:19:47] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): i crashed
[12:20:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): are you sending it now?
[12:20:41] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I like to suggest if peoples are in a Rp they should stay out amazon chat.  Not sit their arguing with others when frankly they should be Rping as this is a rp sim. Last three rps i been in peoples found it more fun to fight aruge in the amazon chat then rp just to cause more ooc Bs.
[12:21:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have to say, yes, the "tease and taunt" in amazon chat is tiring. it is not funny. it is just boring
[12:21:27] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): its getting dumbs
[12:21:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you want to roleplay there is only one way to do it: roleplay
[12:21:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sitting in amazon chat "i will come for the ginger booty" makes me groan and close the chat
[12:21:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dull
[12:22:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i suspect many others feel the same way, like Zahara just outlined
[12:22:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. if you wanna play, go, find your victim,s and play
[12:22:31] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Seconded - and a further point
[12:22:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have 11 regions, not only the landing to sit in all day and chit chat
[12:22:55] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): We have many members of Amazon Chat who don't often play here - that constant stream of bickering may well put them of
[12:23:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right. and i introduced in other large groups a role model where people need permisson to chat. if the bickering won't stop, then i will do the same here..
[12:23:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[12:24:00] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): (I would like to add to the comment cocoa made.. )  Shooting at someones  window to see that one can shoot out and one cannot shoot in is not snooping around.   It is simple.. I downed one of your persons.. I noticed the issue.. I double checked the issue before hand.  There is a big difference from how you are making it sound.
[12:24:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Mika,, i want also to add to the incident from yesterday.. the house had/has a technical glitch, crappy mesh.. it was not intentionally build so
[12:25:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, cocoa is not purposely cheating, however, it needs to be fixed
[12:25:07] CocoaBerri: Thank you for that Tantricia..
[12:25:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): B'Neh?
[12:25:26] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir): I think the difference they are talking about is, an OOC report of a possible violation, versus an RP complaint about snooping around a camp. One is for the good of the sim, the other is only for the basis of role play. One CAN complain about a person in the area, if for rp, no Mouthpiece. Otherwise, it's something we should all be doing to help the sim. Sorry this was from that discussion.
[12:25:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. good point
[12:26:08] CocoaBerri: I agree about thnings being in violation should be reported
[12:26:11] CocoaBerri: however
[12:26:52] CocoaBerri: I have been getting snooped on and reported to the point of harassment for a lonng time..and it feels like maliciousness over some rp matter
[12:27:04] CocoaBerri: that is what i'm having a problem with
[12:27:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can not confirm that we receive more reports about you/your camp than other camps
[12:27:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if that is any consolation
[12:28:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa.. it is true that you often have issues with non pickable doors. and each time you do it does not go unnoticed. so, how about you skip using those doors and use proper doors?
[12:28:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i mean.. loook....
[12:28:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i wake up and see "oh, cocoa, door, again...
[12:29:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also have ways to enjoy my coffee in more peace :)
[12:29:18] CocoaBerri: "the doors have to be rest because the are picked a lot
[12:29:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you use doors that ask for passwords that no one has
[12:29:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i just returned three
[12:29:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yesterday
[12:29:55] CocoaBerri: I will try to do better to reset them properly..the doors are definitely pickable and I have set themm to 3 mins..just like the kool doors]
[12:30:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, i look forward to that :)
[12:30:37] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): We have a problem with too many people coming to rescue in wave after wave which makes it very hard to rp. I try to start some rp but then I have to stop cause I am interrupted over and over.
After the fight is over we have way too many people to effectly rp with. Everyone is talking over each other and I usually can't understand anything.
I want to ask everyone how we might solve this issue.
[12:31:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am very tempted to make a third rule, in addition to #2 - as it is definitely *the* source of ooc drama: rescues are forbidden
[12:31:22] Kaela (kailyr): raises hand (as im blind, on txt)
[12:31:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): all these "com devices" and "messenger birds" and "telepathic farts" are annoying, super big time
[12:32:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we are discussing that since the amazon exists
[12:32:30] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): I second a thrird ruule
[12:32:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will have a vote onm that at the landing later today
[12:33:22] Khaing (raigann): This relates to the issue Zahara raised & Tantrica & Baron commented on
[12:33:42] Khaing (raigann): As we’re here for fun, it’s common sense to sort out differences by talking reasonably OOC, negotiating, allowing for mistakes & minimising admin complaints. This works with friendly & reasonable folk, but a few sometimes get their kicks out of arguing, winding up & dominating others. They’re difficult to play with or talk to without aggro. They don’t seem to want to be reasonable & don’t want solutions because their goal is making others angry & frustrated. This is TROLLING & they’re good at it. Others know it happens & the only way to RP in Amazon with trolling around is to ignore the trolls.
[12:34:01] Khaing (raigann): 1.    I’d genuinely like to see what others want - an Amazon where folk respect each other & behave like adults; no trolling, griefing, cheating
[12:34:19] Khaing (raigann): 2. What I’d ask Gods/admin to do to help: 1 clarify purpose of AR chat group & whether it’s IC or OOC & consider whether it should be moderated; 2 clarify the meaning of Tantrica’s no comms note - as natives and some fighters are interpreting it differently. My understanding is - to improve RP by stopping the use of comms or IMs to call for help; 3 punish verbal & sexist OOC abuse.
[12:36:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, Khaing, thank you :) i will give amazon chat some thoughts, because those who think that roleplay is "i will come after the ginger booty" while in fact holding a beauty contest "look at my fab avataaah" in the landing is not what i made amazon for
[12:36:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and generally tease and taunt in the chat can be misunderstood, yah
[12:36:54] Khaing (raigann): I agree totally with what Zahara said about AR chat
[12:36:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rodeo ?
[12:37:50] Rodeo Dastardly: I was at the Strawberry's today, and I am green, Chad come up to me and pushed me off the cliff, cause I assume I was too close to where the Berrys would rezz. this is bullying behaviour Not to mention Huffy has a sign right in front of the berrys, before the berrys got sick. Huffy and his tag along girl, would come when I got there and when the berrys rezzed she would run in and click on as many as she could.. I some times got other times I would see this also as bullying behavior
[12:38:22] Rodeo Dastardly: if  I may add no berrys had  rezzed
[12:38:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sadly chad is not here at the moment - so i can't hear what he has to say to that.. if he pushes you off without roleplay afterwards it warrants demotion..
[12:39:27] Rodeo Dastardly: ok  thank you if  it happens again I will report
[12:39:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the issue about the strawberries in general though is meant to spark up roleplay.. i am going to throtle food some more.. because people just go, harvest, eat, and no roleplay sparks up about it
[12:39:39] mustang (gijack4): Huffy does the  same
[12:39:40] Rodeo Dastardly: which i try not to do
[12:40:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, mustang, and what do you do then? do you roleplay? or do you run away?
[12:40:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are in a roleplay region
[12:40:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is always key
[12:40:18] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((Mustang - no side comments. You want to speak? Click the cube. Else remain silent))
[12:40:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no one starves if you don't get strawberries... but you can try to *roleplay* about it
[12:40:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and what baron says, follow the rules, and line up
[12:41:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Persephone ?
[12:41:16] Persephone Bolero: You all take cartoon sex way too seriously. On one hand, there are jealous girlfriends who freak out if someone touches their boyfriend’s pixel penis. And that just spreads pointless, OOC jealousy throughout the RP. On the other, you have people who are horrified by forced sex scenes. You also have people with such prudish no-strip limits and still stay yellow. I’m sorry to tell you this, no one is having sex here. We’re just adults sharing fantasies over computers. Guys, you aren’t getting laid, whether you seduce a girl and take her down. And girls, you aren’t making love. No one is cheating on their boyfriends/girlfriends, and no one is getting raped. Sometimes these shared fantasies are arousing, exciting, or even disturbing. But they are never really sex. Stop taking it all so seriously and just have some adult fun with people.
[12:41:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hear hear
[12:41:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i wish all would think that way
[12:42:05] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): :D *high fives*
[12:42:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not much to add there really
[12:42:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we had just last last week a drama about "primbabies"...
[12:42:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and guys, at such days.. i stare at my screen and think "really?"
[12:42:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are adults. mature.
[12:43:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): keep that all in mind please and don't be butthurt about some silly pixels
[12:43:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa ?
[12:43:43] CocoaBerri: "yes to elaborate on what Rodeo was saying this has happened to my group members as well and they were green..and trying to force people to rp with you, then complaining about their rp and even reporting them and furthermore..extra people coming around during a guard summons and throwing in their 2 cents when no one called you or you weren't involved.. and it is not your concern
[12:44:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. however.. you are in a roleplay region.. you are here to roleplay.. so.. the "forced to roleplay" makes me in reflex ask "why does it feel forced? and if it feels forced is then a roleplay region for you?"
[12:44:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because, honestly...
[12:44:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i feel like i want to be alone, i am not here
[12:45:06] CocoaBerri: there are sooo many people here to rp with
[12:45:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): when i am here i expect at any time to be roleplayed with
[12:45:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and no i don't pick who roleplays with me
[12:45:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): those who walk up on me i RP with
[12:45:24] CocoaBerri: if you don't particularly like somones rp, then why engange them?
[12:45:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i do because i am a nice person (ok, some argue that point, me being nice)
[12:45:45] CocoaBerri: engage*
[12:45:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): why being elitist?
[12:46:11] Rodeo Dastardly: aww  your  sweet  Tantrica
[12:46:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i don't gfeel like RP then i am not here
[12:46:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i am here i RP
[12:46:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): with whoever
[12:46:25] CocoaBerri: its not the person you are complining about issue..its yours..if you don't like them, leave them alone
[12:46:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): why would i start RP with people i don't like?
[12:46:50] CocoaBerri: exactly!!
[12:47:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cocoa - maybe the "dislike" is only IC ?
[12:47:50] CocoaBerri: wghatever their issue is OOC or ic..tthey don't have to rp with the people they don't like
[12:47:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *that* is the point
[12:48:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): their dislike IS in character
[12:48:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that is what the "victim" needs to grasp
[12:48:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if the victim can't keep IC and OOC apart (and frustratingly many cant) then that leads to "But you hate me, why do you RP with me?"
[12:48:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that is the point
[12:48:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is no OOC hate
[12:48:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make them embrace it
[12:48:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not whining and pull back
[12:48:59] CocoaBerri: it is ooc when they are constantly reporting people who do rp to their satisfaction
[12:49:07] CocoaBerri: dont*
[12:49:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the last report i got from kamayura was a guy in your hostel refusing to roleplay because he invented the rule "inside a room one is not allowed to be shot"
[12:49:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sorry, not going to fly
[12:50:02] CocoaBerri: noted
[12:50:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[12:50:10] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): I would like to bring up people who refuse to rp with you but constantly attack you. Or try to jump into to fights that are not  theres.  How can and should we deal with this?  it is a ongoing  problem.
[12:50:18] CocoaBerri: but that is not always the case..that was one incident
[12:50:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes cocoa, it was one incident, and i read every log when a priestess counsels...
[12:50:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and my desk here at home has already  a dent where i bang my head against
[12:50:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because the other easons are equally lame
[12:51:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you need to tell your people once and for good three things, cocoa:
[12:51:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. tantrica is not protecting huffy or mika or santa claus
[12:51:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. kamayura are not special, they are here to be roleplayed with like every other person too
[12:52:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 3. there are no rule slike "don't shoot inside a building" - if you make rules up, expect the rules to be laughed off
[12:52:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am suportive to your tribe like i am to any other tribe
[12:52:30] CocoaBerri: oh just my group? did I mention Huffy or mikas name once?..
[12:52:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): again
[12:52:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am supportive to your tribe like to any other tribe to
[12:53:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i defend your point when i believe that your build is not intentionally crap in ots mesh physics
[12:53:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i ban people from your region when they are staling you
[12:53:18] CocoaBerri: true
[12:53:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i speak up in your place when peole thik you cheat on purpose
[12:53:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but i also return the xth time your "crashed" doors
[12:53:53] CocoaBerri: true
[12:53:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i banned from your tribe people when they boast in chat that i lost any credibility (that[12:54:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i also say things as they are when i feel that you are painting your tribe as the victim here and it is just not true
[12:54:25] CocoaBerri: hell fell for the okey doke
[12:54:39] CocoaBerri: he souldnt have let Huffy bait him that way
[12:54:43] CocoaBerri: he*
[12:54:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now back to [12:50:08] мιкα™ (Mikaela Pelazzi): I would like to bring up people who refuse to rp with you but constantly attack you. Or try to jump into to fights that are not  theres.  How can and should we deal with this?  it is a ongoing  problem.
[12:55:16] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And let me clarify that ban.. because Tan did not decide the ban. She banned then asked me to talk to him, to get my view if the ban should be lifted or not. We neither of us ban 'lightly'
[12:55:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that we will solve if we introduce a third rule "helping is forbidden"
[12:55:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because really this "jump into a fight" is here and in *every other* combat roleplay region a pest
[12:56:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): annoying
[12:56:03] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): It is
[12:56:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): disturbing
[12:56:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we will have a vote on that later this weekend
[12:56:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[12:56:29] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria) Frowns as he lowers his hand "I'd just like to address a serious question. Where is this ginger booty we are all hearing about? ...On a less serious note, the Mafia 'hi-jacked' the strawberries and I saw nothing but complaints. We seriously react like that when someone tries to inject some roleplay? You could try and beg the strawberries, try and fight for them, pay for them... lots of RP options. It was a great idea, it really was. Whining about how the Mafia have taken over the strawberries shouldn't be one of them if we are here to RP and have some bloody fun. I was embarrassed that some of the complainers were leaders.  It is getting so that people seem to constantly look for a reason to complain and escape RP. When here we all roleplay ALL the time, so I fail to see how anyone forces us to roleplay. If you don't want to RP, then you are in the wrong place. Just because one persons idea of RP isn't yours does NOT make it wrong. Just go with it, and embrace the challenge. And sorry Tantrica, Santa
[12:56:29] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria):  should have protection!"
[12:56:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hear hear
[12:57:05] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Also... a rescue ban
[12:57:22] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): If we have one, it needs to include, back-up arriving for attackers
[12:57:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy made, two years ago, a brilliant Roleplay also with "world Wildlife Fund" - and what happened? people right clicked the signs, saw wh made them, and filed reports....
[12:57:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people.. LEARN how to ROLEPLAY
[12:57:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and For what its worth
[12:57:42] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Agreed!
[12:58:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the current sign at the strawberries, Huffy placed with my consent  - and the former sign was removed before i saw it
[12:58:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and
[12:58:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): For what its worth 2:
[12:58:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): this is NOT protecting Huffy, i would encourage similar to others if they are equally witty
[12:58:36] CocoaBerri Cocoaberri Laughs her ASS off!!
[12:58:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Liu, please
[12:58:57] Liu  Jiao (zer0dawn): this is a balance issue,mainly for combat. At the moment there is a very limited variety of combat. 99% of all players are just using the ranged option nd are not really using melee, which i believe should have a bit more reward for using than ranged. I Think if you added more damage to melee as it is, making it around 2.0-2.5 then there would be more mix up in combat, along side this it would reward those high risk moment of using it against a ranged combatant with a high reward. If the person who is ranged can kite properly (( shoot and run away )) they can beat a melee easily, if not the melee should be rewarded.
[12:59:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kailyr ?
[12:59:43] Kaela (kailyr): sorry, my  comment is from way before....half of the issues Harold sees about fights come from the downing notice, and healers that tell buddies whos down and where. what if the downings are only told for these who starve or drown? or, just the place? "someone"...blabla in las ninas? This would stop the white knights flood i think.
[13:01:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, Kailyr, there was a request for that, it is on my list
[13:01:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[13:01:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tephanie ?
[13:01:30] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser): This is not a complaint of any sort. Maybe it is a suggestion, for having it experienced my own way. I don't blame anyone, nor am I aiming anyone. But if I have met the issue, maybe other will. I have been lost for a good 6 months (and I'm pink so open to any kind of RP), without a single RP out of it. I'm now in a tribe and have fun making RP, but I also am not the kind to go and raising havoc on others. Maybe I'm too kind. I'm not sure engaging RP with others, and it's a problem I try working on myself. I would simply make this statement, to remind people that also newcomers might feel overwhelmed. If more interactions with people you're not familiar with were happening, it would ease out things for those, who, like me, are scared about "annoying" other people (even though we all here to play) and also give a chance to show others some roleplay, and also let feel some newcomers how it goes. Sometimes, shy people can also deliver excellent RP... You never know before you tried it. That's all for me, thank
[13:01:30] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser):  you
[13:02:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes good point too - not everyone is .. very outgoing, indeed
[13:02:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cento?
[13:02:41] cento (cento54): ty and sorry name was deleted from list. so this is much earlier topic.. so if a group captures a couple of tribe members the tribe cannot go and rescue them or pay ransom? Thats what you mean by no rescue? Or if I cap a raider (and I might someday) the other raiders cant come and down me when Im leashing. my cap? this seems to eliminate a lot of rp.
[13:04:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes cento, it eliminates some RP, but in most cases there is no RP on rescue-raids anyway. in most cases it goes like "suddenly x helpers ♥ Pop ♥ up" then "how did you know? you cheated" and there the rp flies out of hte window
[13:04:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in 90% of all reports that we get about "we need a guard" the cause is rescue-RP
[13:04:47] cento (cento54): ty
[13:04:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i know for a fact that we are not alone with that but all metered combat sims have that
[13:07:55] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I like to say if there a fighting going on your not in it then stay out of it.  not show up 15-20 minutes later with another army to help your fallen friends.  Rp has to stop then the caps complaining there no rp.  Groups start acussing others they don't rp when it fact then fight continuues because was the caps most the time calling in for more help
[13:08:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right, same issue - rescue RP
[13:08:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is always troubling
[13:08:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[13:08:54] Reni (serenityaeon): About the Amazon Group Chat mentioned earlier:
many issues are about mixing IC and OOC, i think.
the chat is used for OOC questions and also people use it RPwise. that mixes things up and makes it hard sometimes to separate OOC and IC messages. how about having 2 chat groups? 1 striclty for OOC things, rule questions etc and the other for socializing, annoucing IC stuff and the like?
RP in my opinion shouldn't take place in the group at all. that should happen in the jungle. Such clear separation could help with many issues, i think.

((lifehack: use a text eidtor to type your statement and copy/paste it in chat her when it's your turn. that would survive even a crash ^^))
[13:09:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, i like that too Reni.
[13:09:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will think of AZ chat more
[13:09:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve?
[13:09:49] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): 1st.  I agree we should appreciate when someone puts the effort to create roleplay opportunities like the berry situation. OOCly Thanking the Mafia for that now even though I do not like them IC. **applauds** Second...the no rescue rule I think maybe a window of time where no rescue is a good idea, but not flat out no rescue.  3 - Where do we post IC lures. the AZ chat seems dedicated to ooc. Could we possilbly have an IC group where it is only ic posts that extend rp to others in a creative way.  ((sorry had pretyped. he said what I wanted to say))
[13:10:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mhm.. by the way - we wil keep a log of this later in the blog.. also for me to read up so that the good ideas won't get lost
[13:11:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Eve....
[13:11:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): by ?
[13:11:17] Aby (macmaccee): just a question - I recently have seen people using the curare darts and if I use them I assume people don't take the darts really seriously - why is that? thanks to let me know - because I love to use them!
And to Cento - yes if I am in the near and have seen my sister is capped why shouldn't I help her? Isn't that reasonable to help her? However I like to try that?? (dealing for instance - could be a way) -  interesting question isn't it?
[13:11:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby :)
[13:12:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah the curare darts don't blind fully.. maybe i will work them over how they affect the victim..
[13:12:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): at the moment some just run along with diminished view.. some use also a viewer trick to cheat out
[13:12:24] Aby (macmaccee): that would crazy wonderful Tantrica Aby smiles
[13:12:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): out of hte curare darts
[13:13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and now, Margo please
[13:13:13] Margo (brandy1773): sorry for the misfire, but here goes again:
[13:13:19] Margo (brandy1773): ust wanted to say that  I disagree with this long comment about pixel sex, I think that people with this type of attitude are often careless, and hurtful, yes it is true we are living a fantasy but we are real behind the screen and feelings doesn't know boundaries.  fantasy  yes but these pixels took their feelings from the flesh
[13:13:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think.. we are talking about different degrees of immersion
[13:14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as an example:
[13:14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would i bother if Baron goes and shags around randomly? hardly
[13:14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would i bother if he stopped loggin in ? certainly
[13:14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mind you, the latter has nothing to do with sex
[13:15:08] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): It's about the tax breaks, right?
[13:15:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now, for some people having pixel sex might be.. uhm.. touching (and i am not talking about men typing one hand!)
[13:15:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and for others they see it more relaxed...
[13:15:48] Margo (brandy1773): I just took offense to how dismissive he was of other's feelings
[13:15:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, no one dies if John Doe plays with Jane Doe.. even if Jane Doe is not his wife
[13:16:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no one is dismissive of your feelings, rest assured
[13:16:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we just don't see the point how some create drama about nothing really
13:16:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i find things annoying....
[13:16:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so for example:
[13:16:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): a guy here is supporter, has a house here, has a bed here...
[13:16:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): comes home from RL work, logs to SL and finds strangers shag in his SL bed...
[13:17:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): super annoying as this is his spare time
[13:17:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so yah i could understand that
[13:17:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but sleeping around? i can not..
[13:17:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because it is not my RL body?
[13:17:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is not my RL feelings?
[13:18:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honestly, 75% of the men i sleep with are so lame that i read websites during shagging!
[13:18:21] Rodeo Dastardly: laughs
[13:18:25] Margo (brandy1773): laughs
[13:18:31] Aα尺α (aara.iceghost): laughs
[13:18:48] Khaing (raigann): :)
[13:18:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "Ok, that is not quite true, i watch youtube videos...
[13:18:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing ?
[13:18:56] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): So that's why you tell me it's raining when we jig-a-jig!!
[13:18:57] Aα尺α (aara.iceghost): laughs
[13:18:58] Khaing (raigann): porn?
[13:19:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins
[13:19:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): your turn, Khaing ?
[13:19:22] Khaing (raigann): I need to afk for a short while, but wanted to add to Persephone’s & Margo’s points about sex RP & also on the issue of rescue/s & loads turning up.
[13:19:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) tell me when you re back then..
[13:19:51] Khaing (raigann): I do in part agree with Perse’s views, jealousy over pixel sex as she described it, seems crazy. But on the other hand RP can pull RL strings. I’ve worked with rape victims & their abusers in RL. A lot of RL sex abuse begins with fantasies. I personally find rape RP distasteful and I’ve a couple of friends in SL who have been sexually abused in RL & they get very upset about related RP. Sure, here they can set limits in profiles. I just wanted to point this out.
[13:20:50] Khaing (raigann): On the issue of loads turning up for battles, Xoco has been accused of metagaming as lots can turn up when there’s a fight. It’s actually our policy not to attempt rescues. We’re a large group & when we’re in a fight others can join in ‘on our side’ when we haven’t called then. They just see a battle with a common enemy and want to fight too. We can’t control their RP.
[13:21:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i can see that point, but they can go green then - or, if that is not sufficient, they can enjoy roleplay sims with "M" or "G" rating - that is not dismissive, i know some good RP areas that are all "House" like.. no violence, no nudity
[13:21:31] Khaing (raigann): I just wanted folk to know that
[13:21:38] Khaing (raigann): sure
[13:21:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, Rescues, raids, joined battles.. you see .. the issue is in any tribe :)
[13:21:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Persephone ?
[13:22:09] Persephone Bolero: ((Hope (elusive cristole) asked me to post this for her. I’m just going to paste the response. This isn’t my question.)) “Don't know how to word it, about the continual insults and demeaning comments in role play saying you're new you have nothing to say, and the insults that are in group chat are uncalled for and personally aimed at people.”
[13:22:19] Khaing (raigann): (afk now)
[13:23:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would need examples. please post these to me in IM, the personal insults in AZ chat.. also at thi spoint a friendly reminder for evryone: bgheera, the cat, is a bot, who also records all group chat in the amazon group. so if i am asked to look at a particular event, i can fetch the log from there too,
[13:24:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namidia ?
[13:24:04] Namida Giulia: anyone knows how far away can be heard a gun shot in RL?
[13:24:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no
[13:24:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was, fortunatly, never in the situation to have contact with any arms in RL
[13:24:42] mustang (gijack4): depens on the cal of the gun
[13:25:02] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((Mustang - no side comments. If you want to say something click the cube))
[13:25:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): B'Neh ?
[13:25:11] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir): As to the signs, should they not have something in them to easily be removed. IF I chose to role play digging them up and tossing them in to the water or burning them...the sign is still there. Last time, it just became a magnet for others to set signs. It became a trash heap for each group to lay down an opinion instead of role playing it. It was no longer role play at that point. Otherwise, yes, totally get that these are tools to start and continue a role play, and I totally support those. *Ad point* We created an Amazon River Role play group a while back, for lures and role play discussion, support, games, etc. Yes, it's a bit sleepy now, but would welcome the additions and dust cleaning, if people want to use it ;)
[13:26:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh see? totes forgot that group! might be worth a look into
[13:26:24] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir) thumbs up'd her
[13:26:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and as for signs with click-die - i would rather see indeed roleplay sparked up.. where is, for example.. the "bounty hunters" group that forms from oppressed amazonians, hunting down mika and huffy? i experct that group daily to appear, but all i hear is wailing
[13:27:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa ?
[13:27:25] CocoaBerri: I think that if the healer position was back to healers being non combative, a pile of people would resign as healers..I also think there should be a cap on healers per group because it seems like some people are being promoted so fast and by mentors from their own groups and there is a disproportionate amount of healers in some groups vs others. also my statement about people showing up during a guard call who were not involved in the matter..wasn't addressed.
[13:27:51] Kaela (kailyr): zips
[13:28:01] Rodeo Dastardly: agrees  totaly
[13:28:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the healer stuff is in the hands of the healer mentors who took off a great pile from my shoulders, which i naturally like.. i can't speak for them but i see that genrally the healer situation improved big time. i will happily join a smaller talk-round with you, Melissa and me myself, to address that
[13:29:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people, appearing uninvited, is like in RL, where you have mouthbreathers staring at any "different" situation, like an accident
[13:29:33] CocoaBerri: thank you..and about the guard call circus?
[13:29:38] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): hehe
[13:29:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have for that reason moved the limbo of prisoners already moved to the volcano.. and guards are usually only on site to arrest - and priests ask later
[13:30:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe i will just remind the guards that, once they are called, they arrest the entire site
[13:30:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then the priestess can ask and sort out, later or the next day
[13:30:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i suppose that might also reduce the guard calls
[13:30:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good idea!
[13:30:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:30:46] CocoaBerri: yes butwhile waiting for guards..somethins the site of the problem turns into a big problem
[13:31:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then more to arrest for the guard
[13:31:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they actually love the arrest tool
[13:31:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:31:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): guards are not moderators.. so everyone who is on site when a guard appears can be arrested - just so - for no reason
[13:31:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i will enforce that
[13:32:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you have never been arrested, let me describe:
[13:32:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. you lose all your ranks, that means you run through wisdom cave again, and seeker, and if you were healer, then healer training too
[13:33:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. you are stuck in hte limbo until a priestess has time to listen to your case - that can take an hour or a day or longer
[13:33:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so if you still want to play mouthbreather and stare at "None of your business" things, you are welcome to suffer the consequences
[13:33:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rochambeau ?
[13:34:07] Rochambeau (missendai): Back to Stephanie’s comments about Newbies. Some of us are new to this jungle and/or RP jungle style and many cool people here are excellent teachers but waiting around for Seekers, trying to find them (when that is not what you want to be doing with your time), or being IM’d by friends when you are in the middle of an other RP to stop, drop, and roll to go blather in low level / low tension RP with a seeker who is judge and jury of your RP skills, your profile, and physical avatar is annoying.

I am tied to a couple tribes, I’ve finished quests, I love this wild world so much I became a supporter and I built a village… Seekers Schmeeekers…Zzz…Zz… sucks that newbies needs ‘em  ~ *laughs

- end of comment
[13:34:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): humm you mean you don't find a seeker?
[13:35:40] Rochambeau (missendai): I have interacted with seekers 4 plus times...It's unclear what they do besides judge you
[13:36:24] Rochambeau (missendai): It's the judgment that I find most offfensive about their role... I have learned more from chiefs and mentors
[13:36:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have just checked the seeker logs, i can't find anything, usually seekers make a note when they evaluated someone
[13:37:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so i think they migh tjut not have evaluated you yet? but that is a guess.
[13:37:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, yes, seekers judge
[13:37:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they decide who gets rpomoted and it works. though we still have roleplay noobs, we have less RP noobs than similar areas
[13:37:49] Rochambeau (missendai): interesting...no worries either. I am easy going and I'll make contact eventually
[13:37:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:38:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:38:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): I think the best way to solve the issue of using melee would to be lower the number of shots allowed to be loaded into the hud. 40 ammo in combat in a perfect world can take down 4-5 people on their own, and we used to have ammo that would be wasted if you missed a shot. That doesn't happen anymore with the raycast system in place. If people have less ammo it's going to force them to either stop and get out of mouselook to reload, or switch to melee and give a better option than melee being practically useless right now. I can't remember the last time I melee'd someone in an actual fight.                                                                                               Another issue I want to raise is the use of HUD's to rez birds and auto-sit. I've seen it from more than one group. Someone gets knocked off a bird, as they fall another bird gets rezzed and they auto-sit on it, and continue flying away                             And the reason for the sign b'neh was talking about had no delete
[13:38:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  scripts in it is because the sign was to encourage roleplay. If it was simply touch delete the first person after we leave clicks it, and it's ended? Nobody else is going to see it. The first sign did collect heaps of trash and why? Because people didn't want to play along with it, or ignore it. It was met with multiple fires, and pictures of cows trying to lick it's own ass. How is anyone going to see it and get ideas to roleplay if within the first hour of the sign it's taken down. Now if someone had captured myself or someone from the mafia, and roleplay with them taking them to the sign and burning it, or breaking it apart then yes It would have been picked up.
[13:39:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree with what Huffy says about the sign...
[13:39:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will look into the melee
[13:39:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am again a bit annoyed about people investing so much brain into "how can i cheat" with hteir birds instead of "how can i actually roleplay ?"
[13:40:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, to anyone who made that "autositter" script with "autorezzing birds": you are a mouthbreathing cunt
[13:40:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oops, did i say that loud?
[13:40:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i did
[13:40:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Ash?
[13:41:15] Ash (akashadelights): It really seems to me, that if you simply follow the rules and Rp then everyone is happy.  But in the history of time, and as long as the world turns, that will never happen.  So in my humble opinion, suck it up and just roll with it.  Let the rp play out, if you have issues, address them LATER and only if they are truly reportable events.  Standing in a circle in the middle of an attack with both sides flinging insults at the other, blaming them of cheating, crying they got shoved off a cliff, or whatever the case is, is an absolute waste of time and its ruined the rp event for all.  I have yet to see a multi-player event play all the way through without someone stopping the whole thing to tattle, accuse or cry.  This has and will continue to drive people off.  Additionally, for those that are sensitive or get their feelings hurt easily... maybe a carp sim is not for you.  Wouldn’t it be nice if absolutely NO ((OCC talk was allowed in nearby))? On another note:  As far as carp, it is a good idea to
[13:41:15] Ash (akashadelights):  specify what carp is in the wisdom cave.  Newbies are often clueless – I was in the first few days.  Are you aware people come out of the wisdom cave automatically yellow? They may need a little time to decide their color.
[13:42:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "we can flesh out what carp is.. yes.. reminds me of a funny story, we had once a guy here who was into fishing.. 7seas or sumthing.. and who hunted all regions up and down, for carps...
[13:43:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and yes.. people, grow more thick skinned.. like the example i mentioneed right in the very start of today "john Doe peed in my mouth" - folks, really, i don't even want such IMs
[13:43:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): grow up ?
[13:43:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta?
[13:44:08] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Three suggestions. About the sign... make it a time delay. Someone clicks it, has to record what they did with it (textbox?) and the sign goes alpha for 5-10  minutes or whatever, resets for the next person.
[13:44:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good idea
[13:44:20] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Second, I'm Xoco and green, so 'rescue RP' doesn't affect me - but I suggest allowing it by pre-arrangement at the start of a capture RP. That might be more interesting. 'Rescue in an hour' or something.
[13:44:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mhm
[13:45:03] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Third, why are 'john vs jane' questiins even going to you? That's what lower level admoins deal with in most RP sims - and most are a lot smaller than Amazon.
[13:46:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah.. i actually don't like to be IMed directly either.. because: a soon as i appear on scene it fuels the conspiracy idiots again "there she goes, siding with..." regardless who i decide in favour for
[13:46:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yah, please always follow the protocol.. use "help". that has another big advantage...
[13:47:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is listed in the leader group as note, for 14 days
[13:47:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the risk that it gets forgotten is much smaller then
[13:47:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Lynxa ?
[13:47:28] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): I wanna say 4 things, so bare with me pls. but i think people tend to forget in the heat of battle.
[13:47:41] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 1. Groups and factions, just as a person develops a character background, you need to icly know why you're fighting. What is the reason your group/ faction is at constant war? Why do they hate XX tribe, and demand the head of faction XXXX's leader? Are you trying to resolve it? Are you trying to eliminate the competition in the Amazon? You should be basing a large portion of your groups combat on the why, as it gives you a goal and an ic reason to fight.
[13:48:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): very good!
[13:48:16] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 2. Live what you are. The in my opinion, the pockets of ooc between groups and adversaries does nothing but confuse the rp. Stay in character and people will understand why you do what you do.. and while i know some of you hate to hear it, Huffy and even Harold are pretty good at staying in character, even if people often hate their characters. If you're a rogue, most often your character should be feared for some reason, or distrusted, even hated. if you're a settler, are you talking to other settlers, trying to install wells, or figure out a way to get running water.. and so on. Your rp doesnt stop at your roleplay within your groups or factions.
[13:49:12] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 3. I think saying 'no rescuing' needs to be quantified. Because sometimes a person is taken while their friend is actually there in the rp.. and they give chase. it wouldnt make sense icly for that individual not to try to rescue them in some way. For them to just say, ho, hum.. oh, well and walk away. But i do agree that if someone is taken and there are no ic witnesses, then rescue should be banned to let the rp play out.
[13:49:59] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 4. Lastly, I want to throw out there that we at T.S.S. are creating a somewhat different rp scenario and we hope you all will eventually stumble by. If you do, hopefully our rp can help you grow yours in some way, while ours twists and turns as well.
[13:50:55] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason) grins "Thanks Lynxa - I am sure Tan will scan and respond when she gets back - but sensible points - and a good 'plug' " :p
[13:50:59] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Harold?
[13:51:01] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): B'neh and Maccus had made a Amazon Roleplayers Group for rp lures. Is that still there?
Besides the background stories, could the seekers also do something physical like a push or a nudge or step on someone's toe and see if they react before promoting them?
I've seen a lot of new people reply but don't react. Can we add this as part of the standard test?
[13:51:42] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): We touched on the Roleplay Group and will look in too reawakening it, yes.
[13:52:03] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And that's certainly an interesting idea for seekers!
[13:52:15] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Preostan?
[13:52:18] Preostan Scribe: Maybe, if you choose to have no rescue,  also disallow the unrealistic dragging/flying of multiple bodies across multiple sims . . in other words, if you down them in their camp, deal with the reality of choosing that location, instead of the privacy of your cave - unless you can get there realistically . . ((also guns shots echo'g off the hills wouldn't give much of a clue if you did hear them))  And damn it, a sign can get tossed over the cliff just like a person might.
[13:52:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): goo dpoints, lynxa, harold, and Preostan.. thank you
[13:53:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[13:53:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Sorry, we have moved past this now, but for what it is worth... On the subject of ERP (Erotic Roleplay - AKA Boink Boink) is just another form of roleplay. It may be a little more fun that some, but it is, at the end of the day, just another form of roleplay. When you have RP Sex with someone you might have a relationship with, it is of course different. But for a lot of us that enjoy the more sexual side of roleplay, the big turn on is the dance of my roleplay against yours. The challenge of two (or more) people having fun roleplay. I understand that from RL and even SL generally, sex is seen as something you do with those you have a romantic relationship with. But here, in the jungle, sex, is, to many of us, just another form of fun RP. I disagree with the comments on rape roleplay. By the very definition of rape, if I have rape roleplay with someone who is happy to take part in it, it is, of course, not really rape. Just two people who enjoy exploring another type of sexual roleplay. Would I rape or even
[13:53:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria):  support rape in RL? Not a chance, but here, it is, just ROLEPLAY! There is a grey area of course with emotions. The ERP that I might have with Tantrica, would not (sorry Tan) give me the same 'reactions' as ERP with B'Neh (my partner). So saying, I could still have rape roleplay with B'Neh and not feel abusive for either of us as we both embrace all forms of RP, it would to us, just be a roleplay event and nothing more or less, just the challenge of taking our minds somewhere they haven't been and seeing if we can make it real for each other. Anyone who would like join the Amazon Roleplayers group, IM me now and I'll add you!
[13:53:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) sobs
[13:54:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i .. will get.. over it.
[13:54:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Stephanie?
[13:54:13] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser): In the realm of RP-Quests, I'm trying to make one, but it is linked to a specific list of people (I'm sure you know what quest it is). Unfortunately, out of this short list, one is someone I've absolutely never saw, nor my sisters and brothers in tribe, and the other one is often hum... how to say... well he is high in the sky and unreachable. I didn't sent an IM to those people, since it goes over IC, and I don't like calling people in whatever they do. They might be busy doing other important things, and I respect that, but, when a quest ask for specific people, is there an ICly method to reach out those that are linked to a specific mean ? Like a push button to let them know said avatar would like an opportunity to RP ?
[13:54:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria) Sighs sadly
[13:55:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no smart answer yet for the netgun quest. as soon as i have one i wil lcome back to that :)
[13:55:35] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser) nods
[13:55:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you know...
[13:56:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we made that quest once to ellicit more sexual roleplay.. at a time where people were.. prudish.. really about almost anything here
[13:56:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): some still are.. i am in strong support of open love, being promiscous, having sex, and all that - it is how i roll, and naturally by that, how my sims *should* roll
[13:56:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and to enforce that we made that quest
[13:57:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and got as response "men with red dots are rapist pigs" and "look at tantrica, so desperate to get laid that she made q quest for that" -
[13:57:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you understand, sometimes it is tough to keep things going with such a loud of foul miserably  jealous cunts
[13:58:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, no idea how to proceed with that quest
[13:58:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): bear with me
[13:58:31] Aby (macmaccee): 1. Just saying----when i came here new like a bloody newbie hehehe, I didn't know any bout any rules... now I am here more than a half a year - close to be every day here more than a couple of hours... and I may say I still havn't any rules in my head.... so for a newbie here it is very very hard not to get overwhelmed and alos shocked it a way as a mistake is programmed in advance... Maybe some should show more patient to those? That would really be helpfull to get more nice people to this wonderful RP SIM - am I right? Thank you so much...
2. Oh and as I will see a guard crossing my way  -  in future I will better run for my life!
3. I dunno, maybe I am still too much newbiish (smiles) but as I said I am lots of hours and close to any day in the Amazon and also in my camp - and really it's annoying and to me kinda griefing - if some who randomly attack our camp just fly arround, wander up and down, stand somewhere... and any next second they could attack again (and they do that for hours sometimes!)... I
[13:58:31] Aby (macmaccee):  don't think that has to do with a roleplay.... I really would love to see that is stopped. As they want to attack our camp okay... but hanging around and grief - it's a nononono to me

Thank you again
[14:00:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah, attacking with no RP warrants demotion though.. and we address it..
[14:00:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you may have noticed that we cracked down on a guy who excelled in "shooting with no combat" - he struggles since two weeks now to get his yellow dot back
[14:00:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't say names
[14:00:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:00:58] Aby (macmaccee): smiles, okay
[14:01:00] Syd Straaf: I just want to say that I think people need to remember that all interactions, whether won or lost, are opportunities where we "get" to rp, not "have" to rp. Too many, myself included, often forget this and put more effort into avoiding rp than enjoying it. Everyone I've ever interacted with here has been a pretty good rper when they've wanted to be, or at least decent at it and happy to learn, and that includes the most severely criticized people in the jungle. We get stuck in vicious circles of accusations and bitterness until some folks don't even get a chance to try to rp before others start trying to avoid it. I think everyone really needs to just take a step back and remember we are ALL here to have fun and that's a lot more likely to happen if we are all respectful of each other OOCly.
[14:01:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): very good point, yes
[14:01:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): remember that, all
[14:01:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): don't find excuses why to not RP
[14:01:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): embrace it
[14:02:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika
[14:02:02] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): Can we have like a limit on how many limits a person can have and still be yellow?  Some of the limits on peoples profiles are insane.
 [14:02:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh i just need to nudge our seekers again, we demote on ridicolous limits
 [14:02:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you see them, report them
[14:02:36] Aby (macmaccee): blushes^^
[14:02:43] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): will i get arrested?
[14:02:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah, if you are yellow and you say "No stripping me" you miss the point
[14:03:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you are yellow and say "No agression" you miss the point too
[14:03:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will give one warning, and 24h for you to fix your profile
[14:03:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then you get demoted
[14:03:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Mika, you will get arrested if you break rule #2, like everyone .)
[14:03:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve?
[14:03:58] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): no i mean wil i get arrested if i report
[14:04:02] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): Is there a process for 'story weaving' on the sim. Any staff dedicated to presenting or reviewing sim wide RP ideas that may be presented by players.  Could be found restricting if its a requireded process, but then again it could also prevent confusion if things like how to handle the signs are OOCLy discussed prior to the start of such RP.  Something to consider perhaps.
[14:04:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no, if you report you won't get arrrested
[14:04:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the worst that can happen is that we laugh you off, secretly
[14:04:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you will never learn that though, so all good :D
[14:04:45] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): laughs
[14:05:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm
[14:06:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): interesting idea, story weaving. i must say i have no experience in that. it sounds a bit like work.
[14:06:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe we can look ijnto that later
[14:06:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tomorrow or so
[14:06:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[14:06:29] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): This was a request from someone else and not my own SO I'm sure he/she will read the comments that follow in the ledger afterwards
Metagaming
This word comes out of my mouth alot. and I mean alot.  Why am I saying it so much, especially when we have roleplay class instructors that go over this very topic each time they teach a class, donating to you their time, experience and skill for no charge?  It is because you, the metagamer, choose not to listen.  For one reason or another, many people on these 11 sims care to think they know it all.  This was my mindset for a long time until a faction mate told me and then showed me the error of my ways.  Someone I trusted took the time to educate me, answer my questions and guide me.  In almost two years I am a completely different roleplayer.  If you want someone calling you a metagamer/powergamer/godmoder, etc to stop calling you these names numerous times, you should understand the terms and adapt your RP to be able to progress.  Nevertheless, I see this on a
[14:06:29] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  very regular basis, being done both by newcomers and by seasoned Amazon veterans who, in all likeliness, just don't give a rats ass that they are breaking a very standard rule of roleplay.
[14:07:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): humm, the first question i have here is: why is she/he using you as proxy? and not speaking for him/herself?
[14:07:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): is he/she banned?
[14:08:05] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): No, they couldn't make it to the meeting
[14:08:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would be still nice to have a name, but anyway.. yah.. improving RP quality is an ongoing process... and i know some struggle, and some do it on the fly...
[14:09:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): kudos to all who at least try
[14:09:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and those who "don't give a rats ass" - are not in the right place here, clearly
[14:09:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aby?
[14:09:36] Aby (macmaccee): Can anyone tell me where the cemetery is for all the broken planes in Amazon?? Hahahah
[14:09:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[14:09:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cento?
[14:09:52] cento (cento54): Im happy to say Im not in Tan's 75% lame guy group which is a surprise since I was AFK the whole time. seriously I thought this meeting was very well done. I think this kind of meeting should be a regular thing
[14:10:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins "you are not in the 75% group coz we never.. shagged.. " looks at Baron "or did i?" scratches my elbow "No.. i think we haven't...
[14:10:46] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason) grins
[14:10:48] cento (cento54): oh my bad
[14:11:00] Preostan Scribe has noticed that Tantrica avoided sitting on something hard . . . That's all.  and yes good meet . .
[14:11:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[14:11:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syrissa?
[14:11:23] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): From Chad: ROLEPLAY....WHERE DID IT GO?

I recall being frustrated that I was too new and too inexperienced at roleplay to partake all that much in the roleplay that forced Iccaa into marriage with Emilio.  It was impressive and fun to read as well as to be a part of but at the time I wasn't aware of things like proper posting order or how to string together a few strong sentences of semi-para RP that would open opportunity for the next poster.  Not only did everyone involved play their parts well, it unfolded and evolved as a storyline over multiple days.  This doesn't happen anymore.  Ever.  People literally try their best to get out of roleplay.  You can't escape it fast enough.  One of the first things I hear on a daily basis from my captives is "let me go."  Not that I myself would want to be locked up and enslaved for hours and hours and hours of RL time either, but you get my point I'm sure.  There is no ongoing story line other than 'the jungle hates you Raiders!  we're all teaming up to beat you!'.
[14:11:23] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono):  If this is a roleplay sim, the roleplay should be ongoing and far more authentic as it very easily could be with some creativity and imagination.
[14:11:58] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): (( thank you Syr! ))
[14:12:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree. and..
[14:12:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): creativity is key
[14:12:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): what Lynxa said: have a motive! WHY do you attack XY ?
[14:12:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then when you succeeded: WHAT are you planning to do?
[14:13:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): trust me, using the xth torture device to be the cruelest captor ever is boooring
[14:13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): have a plan, and have it ready before you cap
[14:13:28] Aby (macmaccee): nodses much
[14:13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and, if you lose and get capped: enjoy !
[14:13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): look at it like that: why do i love to be captured by creative people?
[14:13:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because THEY need to whack THEIR brains
[14:14:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am allowd to just react
[14:14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rodeo?
[14:14:18] Rodeo Dastardly: helaers and leaders"I think" both see when a person is  downed   I understand  being a healer,  when we  see when some one is  downed,  if  we are not in the  area  where  that person is downed,   we  are  not to tp and  go find  the person .  am I correct  there?? if  thats  true  why are so many healers  tping to rescue  their  friends.
[14:14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): correct, Rodeo, it will be looked into
[14:15:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syrissa?
[14:15:14] Rodeo Dastardly: I stay  yellow  because I cant move around well enough to fight,  and  my guns  take around a minute  or  two, to load
[14:15:21] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): thanks, ....
[14:15:25] Rodeo Dastardly: and my computer is shit
[14:15:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Rodeo :)
[14:16:28] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I would like the attacks to stop when you're at one faction Bandits. . you're fighting and rp'ing with Bandits and someone else comes in..shoots you down and just leaves you there as they fly off..no rp , no binding ..nothing.. I want that to end if possible.. Also...
[14:17:25] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): when someone , an enemy sees you in the next tribes area with them, the come out of their area and shoot you down and again no rp , just leaves you there, i'd like that to stop.....
[14:18:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): shooting with no RP is a demote-able offense
[14:18:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Help- button is your friend
[14:18:59] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): also if your capped by a factions member , not to come in rudly interupting our rp and take the leash and kind of kicks you out to drown.. that i would like thave stopped..no rp , if not really wanted in that camp, let everyone know and why attack in first place?
[14:19:25] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): ok, it will be used if it happens again.
[14:19:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i know what incident you mean there and i have to say it is the same person that came with my John Doe and Jane Doe example and bodily fluids
[14:20:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): some do need to calm down and learn roleplay of the relaxed side
[14:20:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are on it
[14:20:23] Ali (aliciabraga): yesssssss
[14:20:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus
[14:20:31] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Not all Leaders do not see who is downed and where, just to put that straight. And I see no reason that  a person needs to be named in healer messages, sure give the co-ordinates to healers, but remove the names. You might as well send a message  that says "come and save me" and if you mini-map watch you will see friends arriving at downed people every day
[14:20:48] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): do see*
[14:20:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[14:20:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Widow?
[14:21:13] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): what really surprise me is the hypocrisy and contradictory from certain ones. The main one who preach about metagaming and cheating....  are the very ones who partake in the same thing that they've claimed they're totally against and accuses other groups ( in amazon chat) only to save their own skin and divert the attention off them... in my eyes most who are combative aren't really playing "FULLY" by the rules..I'e seen certain one rez frivolous props inside of their cell while rp was  going on.. people dancing, yawning OOCLY.... the list goes on...
[14:21:59] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): I'm no angel myself but i for damn sure don't pretend to be perfect either
[14:23:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "i can understand that there is some frustration in there...
[14:23:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however
[14:23:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are here for eactly that reason, that you can vent off your chest about it - and then see that some see it exactly th esame way
[14:23:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): just - from the other sde
[14:23:49] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): nods
[14:24:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why mankind has conflicts and that is why we have wars. because people don't talk enough
[14:24:32] Aby (macmaccee): nodses very much to Tan's saying
[14:24:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in fact, i am sure, 99% of all people are here in Second LIfe to "have fun" - and not on the expense of others
[14:24:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): just, some draw their lines so far out that it steps on toes of others
[14:24:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and there is the trouble :)
[14:25:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): talk to each other, without accusations
[14:25:11] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): right
[14:25:16] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): thanks tan
[14:25:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): xplain first, calmly, what you are not agreeable with
[14:25:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then suggest how to improve
[14:25:29] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): nods
[14:25:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): brb
[14:30:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve ?
[14:30:30] Rain Jezebel: Did mine come up?
[14:30:33] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): during an attack players are in such a hurry to get their captives away they use gestures to emote so many actions in a single line. do we have some sort of restriction on making the RP hand typed.  TO bind gag strip of communication devices etc etc etc..all in one generic line....Its just meh... I'm sure part of why they rush is part of the unfair rescues issue.  But when you want to rp the carp you almost wish you can go green so that its roleplayed w/o crazy speedy meter/gesture rp.  The chase is all the fun for some of us.
[14:30:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah i hate preffab emotes
[14:30:57] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): maybe need a color between green and yellow. open to aggressive rp but not meter stuff
[14:30:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cracks me up each time
[14:31:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am a seeker often, just wear a slingshot
[14:31:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and get prefabs like "takes off all your coms....
[14:31:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then i think to myself already "thank you for generic stuff, i go and read websites
[14:32:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i never use prefabs and i think that is respect
[14:32:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you use them you meet my bored me and i will reply with delay, because alt-tabbing between a more interesting website and your lame prefab RP takes time
[14:32:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rain?
[14:32:58] Rain Jezebel: When I came here for sex back in May, and to learn how to capture, shoot, role play in this environment for the first time ever in my SL life, I wanted to also build a character with a realistic story and be able to move through interactions with as many people here as possible, not just sexually. I succeeded thank you, Tantrica and Baron, in may ways, in a gorgeous environment.
However, two things I find challenging. Not being judged on many things such as friendships or sexual tastes, but also it is difficult to figure out a way to interact with other tribes and really see who is where and what rp they do. If there was more of a way to create connecting stories for us? I'm at a loss for my exact question. Maybe more of an interactive quest for tribes and people in general to come together outside their cliques? I loved Capture the flag, by the way, even though I'm not very good. Ha!
[14:33:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you are always welcome to walk into a random tribe and start RP.. like ask for a cup of sugar? :P
[14:34:04] Rain Jezebel laughs
[14:34:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[14:34:16] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): What exactly is the rule with greenies and  lock picking/fixing? should they be able to fix locked doors while the rp  ( that they are not part of )
[14:34:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no, green dots shoul dnot do stuff that you can usually only stop them from with shoorting
[14:34:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): report them with screenshot
[14:34:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby ?
[14:35:03] Aby (macmaccee): I've seen that a cuople of times:
someone was downed and leashed to a bird...
THEN they fly over River and let them drop into water.
Most of them get drowned once and once again... I always will help people to get out of the river... in my mind this is no RP too! And also a shame to do so. thanks again!
[14:35:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): reading all this maybe i am going to ban birds altogether
[14:35:38] Persephone Bolero: Yay!
[14:35:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy ?
[14:35:42] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): There are a select few around the Amazon that are constantly on the lips of everyone when it comes to unfair play. We're told to work it out as adults and not call guards, but the person or persons in question have been reported so many times that either the victim either doesn't report it because they feel like nothing is going to happen anyways, or the penalties for the person are simply an hour in jail, or a harsh "talking to", saying that the person won't do it again. If there are multiple reports over a span of week, or even months of problems that keep arising why don't they get harsher penalties. I had someone with melee fight after they were bound, call me a fag, and I respectfully told them to leave and tp out of the rp, and then before they leave switch to ranged and gun me down and leave the region only to have a guard speak to them and tell me "He was sorry". I gave them a chance instead of going directly to a guard and they chose to do the same thing again within the time it took to tell them to
[14:35:42] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  leave and the time other people told them from their own group to leave. That kind of behavior should have given him an arrest, or a week ban to let them know they fucked up, especially the person in question has been here for over a year. I think there needs to be week bans or something far harsher than a walk through a cave finding the special word and a run to a seeker, and some time spent in jail with friends gathered around.
[14:35:42] Rodeo Dastardly: yeaaa
[14:36:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then huffy, when you report it, make clear tht this is not your first report and describe it
[14:37:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): But its not one person
[14:37:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then report them all, the help button is free of charge (at the moment )
[14:37:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara ?
[14:37:46] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): It be nice if groups stop blaming all the other groups for doing shit that they themselves do, examples alliances, calling for help.  But then they all sit their pointing fingers at others when most do the same dam thing.  If everyone just respected everyone else just have fun here.  So what you got downed big deal.  What does it mean ohh I got to role play now.  People need to stop acting like being capped such an awful thing.  Then if they are capped don't act like a sore player trying ruin others people's fun in the rp who deserved the win. 
Bottom line don't want be capped or rp stay green. Then your not wasting other peoples time who could be rping with people who really want to rp and have fun.
I been called into help with rps that I was not even part of because there be people acting butt hurt that person who capped them don;'t want rp with them, and that is not right..
[14:38:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[14:38:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want to be clear about it:
[14:38:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you think you have the right to refuse RP: you are in almost all cases wrong
[14:39:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): often it goes like "oh, i am captured, xy downed me.. now i pout and pull a limit out of my arse or i will just fake a viewer-crash
[14:39:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): lame lame lame
[14:39:19] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): yes agreed
[14:39:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if i catch you doing that you wil be demoted
[14:39:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you think you can be a picky princessy about who to RP with.. go elsewhere
[14:39:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not here
[14:40:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also have been captured by people i do not like very much. so i behaved like an ass, In Character
[14:40:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but i RPed
[14:40:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): simply refusing RP is not going to fly here
[14:40:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kylie ?
[14:40:39] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl): First I want to thank Tantrica for doing this, so we can come to some agreement.  I didn't come here for a pissing contest, I would love for this meeting to be about fixing things not  trashing each other  because  thats not going to do anything except cause more animosity between us all. I agreed to this meeting to find a resolution since we are unable to do it on our own.
I'm tired guys! I would like us all to do better at this.  I love Amazon and have for many years, but I have never been so down and depressed about things here as in the last year. But things have gotten much worse as of recently and for the first time Ever I been contemplating leaving.
The accusations and refusing to rp is causing many issues and from frustration i have started doing the same. Let's stop digging in the past and look forward, and see  how we can improve our situation.
Also we have a cap and people come out of the wood work to rescue.  but they are the same people complaining about rescues. makes you go hmmmm

I feel
[14:40:39] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl):  River chat causes more ooc drama then anything. Its like a place where people go to stir trouble,they seem to get off on making others upset. How can we fix this ?
As for the strawberries its pushing someones idea of role play on all of us and face it pushing greens over a cliff is hardly good RP.
But sitting here listening to people pointing fingers and they do the same thing and worse we but take no responsibility , the person making the most noise is also the person that refused to rp with me ages ago then complains if i  dont rp.  so go ahead and call me a cunt.
I'm here for fun and certainly dotn need or want this but i been ridiculed more then most and i keep trying .
I thought this was a meeting to improve things was i wrong?
[14:40:41] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): but not telling this person i refuse to rp them then they pulling shit ruin everyone else fun
[14:41:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that was quite a wall of text :) let me read.. /drives with the fingertips along the lines, the lips form the words as i read
[14:42:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok. this is on emeeting, i guess, even the first of its kind here...
[14:42:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and the number of participants is witness to the interest many poeple have at it
[14:42:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so today, most people had the urgent need to vent
[14:42:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is what they did
[14:42:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): next time that need might be less already
[14:43:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as for the strawberries...
[14:43:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mafia is not a "nice" group (IC)...
[14:43:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yes, they are abusive and force their will on others, (IC)
[14:43:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and so it is up to you to react (IC)
[14:44:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you are at a loss on how to do it, IM them beforehand OOC, Mika and Huffy are really nice people, and so are you, Kylie and Widow...
[14:44:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am sure, OOC, you will find a good path that you can pursue IC
[14:44:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[14:44:41] Reni (serenityaeon): what goes along with what widow has said is how we all treat each other OOCly, i think, like:
* being respectful, not insulting
* dealing with critics and not just blame the other back like in Tan's example in the beginning:
A: you did something wrong.
B: no you did before.
* LISTEN to issues if they are annouced
* keeping in mind that Amazon should be fun for you AND all others around
* don't go instantly into OOC issues when downed (that kills any attempt to RP)
no one can force another to be rational. everyone has to work on that themself.
and no one can be forced to act rational. everyone has to kick their own butt to do so. common sense.

And about generic RP-line in group fights:
i love to RP but it's a bit odd when you run to grab a downed person and get downed yourself instantly because you are typing your RP post. i'm not talking about one on one fights.
[14:44:44] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl): I tried to talk to Huffy OOC  to resolve this a while back but he was so angry that i booted him out of Mercs that he refused.  I think if a neutral person could sit with us, we might be able to actually talk normal and get through this with a more positive outcome .
[14:45:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then Kylie, i think Elphi is ojn it as we speak, she has Imed you already and will do so with Huffy too :)
[14:46:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i agree to all what Reni says.. and again, prefab emotes suck. who ever told you that would be a wise idea, to copy and paste emotes?
[14:46:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is lame
[14:46:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing?
[14:46:44] Khaing (raigann): I also have to totally agree with Widow’s earlier comments. Like Widow, I don’t claim my group is perfect. But there is hypocrisy here, some who argue for better RP & no metagaming are amongst those who do metagame & when capped, tp out, go afk, or complain OOC how boring our RP is, or even later that they fell asleep on their keyboard. They’re also the folk who are most abusive in OOC chat. My tribe - & I know I can speak for all are against metagaming, (if any Xoco here disagree with me, please say so) - yet we get accused of it frequently.
[14:47:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): TPout, going afk, complain OOC. all demotable offenses
[14:47:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make screenshots with gyazo, post it in the help link
[14:48:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika?
[14:48:13] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): It is getting a bit ridiculous on the OOC banter that happens during  a rp ( mainly right after being capped) .. it ruins everyones rp  We all have to stop the rp to deal with childish things because someone is butt hurt that that got downed or they dont like the person etc.  How can we combat this?
[14:48:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): OOC banter after cap-> demoteable offense. screenshot it with gyazo and report it
[14:48:54] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): thank you
[14:48:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:49:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): by?
[14:49:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby :)
[14:49:06] Aby (macmaccee): grins
[14:49:15] Aby (macmaccee): Can't we do like we did with our "flag - game " kinda Trophy of a tribe what can be stolen?
just an idea... so if it is stolen the war ends or some like that hehehe
[14:49:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will do more Capture-the-flag. surely
[14:49:40] Ali (aliciabraga): Flag game was amazing fun!
[14:49:44] Rodeo Dastardly: yeaaa
[14:49:56] Aby (macmaccee): but wasn't meant as game event
[14:50:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((If you want to speak click the cube))
[14:50:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i know.. i noted it down, what you meant :)
[14:51:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Alexander?
[14:51:21] Alexander Reef (sealgair): Yes , I have an idea, might not be easy to o implement, maybe even imposibl.e
[14:51:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you have the floor
[14:51:46] Alexander Reef (sealgair): umm, I have considered a "poins ssytem" to rate role play levels.
[14:52:12] Alexander Reef (sealgair): maybe a number that hovers over the spirit, that ranks you in your RP expertiese (ovbiously in response to others aprisal)
[14:52:17] Aby (macmaccee): nice idea
[14:52:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "we had that
[14:52:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it was a bloodfest
[14:52:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "ok, you are my friend - rate me now.. you don't rate me? you are a acunt, i hate you !
[14:52:42] Khaing (raigann): Very difficult to implement
[14:53:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it failed because peer pressure
[14:53:22] Alexander Reef (sealgair): I see
[14:53:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): look at flickr.. those who know how to network, get silly lots "stars" on even shitty pictures
[14:53:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): same with peer-rp-reviews
[14:53:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it was a chaos
[14:54:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why we stick to seekers, they are used to the abuse thrown at their head when they refuse a promotion
[14:54:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which does not mean that one can abuse them, but yah, some people...
[14:54:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[14:54:51] Reni (serenityaeon): About events like capture the flag:
don't make it group vs. group. this is a chance to mix people and get them together.
[14:55:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we only made it ever "red vs blue" and never restricted who is red or blue
[14:55:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so they can mix and mingle
[14:55:32] Reni (serenityaeon): ok, cool
[14:55:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Ali?
[14:55:43] Ali (aliciabraga): my compliments on the flag game.  The reason I enjoyed it so much is because those who are considered my foes in the jungle?  We were on the same team in the flag game and it was very fun to talk with them about strategy during the flag game.  No birds.  just friends and foes on the same team having fun!
[14:56:00] Reni (serenityaeon): there's enough faction battles and mixed groups here would be good
[14:56:05] Ali (aliciabraga): it was absolutely AMAZING!
[14:56:06] Reni (serenityaeon): ((sry))
[14:56:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am glad you like it
[14:56:45] Rodeo Dastardly: Thank you Tanrica, and  Baron for  your  time to do this..
[14:56:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will do more, i just need to weed out a tiny bug
[14:56:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta?
[14:56:59] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): This has been a good meeting. We need more meetings like this. But we also need this one to end, we're going in circles now. 3 hours is long enough :)
[14:57:10] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Amen!
[14:57:16] Rodeo Dastardly: amen to that
[14:57:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yesss :)
[14:57:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i thank you all for your attention and your time
[14:57:38] cento (cento54): applauds group
[14:57:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you will find this later in the blog
[14:57:49] Rochambeau (missendai): Thank you for your time
[14:57:50] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): Thanks to all the staff and players. Loads of fun. HOpe to catch you all in RP :)
[14:57:51] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): yes very good questons asked
[14:57:55] Kaela (kailyr): smiles thanking em all
[14:57:56] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Thank you Tantrica for fielding so many commenst and questions - and thank you everyone for your participation
[14:58:01] Khaing (raigann): Many thanks Tantrica & baron


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