Saturday, January 26, 2019

Advanced Roleplay Class - Persephone - 26/1/19

[12:05:14] Persephone Bolero: Okay, let's get started.....
[12:05:29] Persephone Bolero: Hello everyone. I am Persephone Bolero. As most of you know, in the Amazon, I play a psychotically homesick city girl with a special-needs daughter who throws fish at people. And now my character is pregnant and freaking out about it. I’ve been doing a bit of research on postpartum psychosis for the after-birth roleplay. I try to make my character’s cray-cray realistic.  Anyways, thank you all for coming today.
[12:06:10] Persephone Bolero: In order to keep local chat readable, let’s not clutter it up with chatter. If you have something to say, please click my box there. Then, start to type out what you want to say, but don’t hit enter. Instead, wait until I call on you. You can also type your comment on a notecard and copy and paste it when called upon. That way we keep the discussion flowing with our limited time here, and everyone gets a chance to talk.
[12:06:54] Persephone Bolero extends her arm up over her head and points to the sign behind her. “Heed the sign, please.”
[12:07:25] Persephone Bolero: I started these advanced classes to go beyond the beginner class and help flush out richer character roleplay. Because roleplay is collaborative, there are rules we all must follow to maintain the functionality and quality of the interaction. Those are covered in the Wisdom Cave RP tutorial and the beginners’ class. If you haven’t done either, some of the material I’ll cover may be difficult for you to follow. You’re welcome to participate today, but I would encourage you to pursue those options soon, if you haven’t already.
[12:08:37] Persephone Bolero: So, if the advanced class isn’t about those basic rules that facilitate interaction, what is this about? Once you get past the basic rules, roleplay becomes an art form. And it’s one many of us here are passionate about. That’s what we do in this class. We discuss roleplay as a medium for creative self-expression.
[12:09:11] Persephone Bolero: I have a background in creative writing, so I incorporate a lot of fiction techniques into my roleplay. I’ll be using a lot of that to explain some concepts with roleplay.
[12:09:33] Persephone Bolero: In my last class, we discussed the importance of having flawed characters, as those shortcomings are great opportunities for richer roleplay. I know everyone who missed that class was terribly sad but too busy in RL to make it. But don’t fret! When you’re stuck in a cell as your captors are fighting off your rescuers, you can read the entire transcript here… (Thanks to Mad for compiling it.)
[12:09:54] Persephone Bolero: https://amazon-river-in-sl.blogspot.com/2019/01/roleplay-class-from-tuesday-january-15.html
[12:10:30] Persephone Bolero: Today, we’re going to talk about writing good emotes.
[12:10:44] Persephone Bolero: We’ll start with a bit of roleplay theory. As stated earlier, when the rules make the game work, roleplay is an art and not a science. We’re not laying pipe here. So, when you’re talking about the artform, there are no hard and fast rules. There are a lot of valid perspectives as to what good roleplay is.
[12:11:12] Persephone Bolero: So, let’s start there with what we’re doing here. What is roleplay? Anyone?
[12:11:36] Persephone Bolero: Michel?
[12:12:12] Michel Morane: Roleplay is exactly what the world says: playing a role. You define a character, it's background, and then you imagine that you are playing in a movie. You are playing a movie character, in a movie where your posts will influence the outcome
[12:12:28] Persephone Bolero: Good. Rodeo?
[12:12:42] Rodeo Dastardly: well I am speaking as my character not  my rl self   Michel said it  better
[12:12:57] Persephone Bolero: Mad?
[12:13:11] Mad (aliya.sahara): I see it as co-authoring a story. Each author gets to be a character in it.
[12:13:24] Michel Morane: ^I meant "what the word says" (not "what the world says)
[12:13:48] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Co-authoring. That it is. Khaing, what would you say it is?
[12:14:18] Khaing Zar (raigann): It's putting yourself into the shoes of someone else - an imaginary character, or someone you'd like to be
[12:14:37] Persephone Bolero: All good answers.
[12:14:41] Khaing Zar (raigann): It's many things really....
[12:14:41] Persephone Bolero: You’ll get a lot of answers to that question. It’s like asking what is theater, or what is sculpture? There really are no right or wrong answers. I like to say roleplay is extemporaneous, collaborative fiction writing. That means we’re writing stories together on the spot in near real time. I live to write, so I live for roleplay. To me, the Amazon is one big writing exercise.
[12:15:02] Persephone Bolero: Void?
[12:15:16] Void Gift (kigra.gasser): sry, just bein slow. Was gonna say: Roleplay is an experiment, where you get to do things that RL won't let you do safely.
[12:15:38] Persephone Bolero: Oh, I know what mean, monster man.
[12:15:45] 亗 Bღnni 亗 (bonnipark): ^^
[12:16:07] Persephone Bolero: So, yeah, roleplay is a lot of things. It's an art.
[12:16:14] Persephone Bolero: That’s where emotes come in. What is an emote? Anyone?
[12:16:40] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[12:17:02] Hope (elusive.cristole): I think of an emote as an action that your character is doing or attempting, using all the senses.
[12:17:11] Persephone Bolero: Reni?
[12:17:32] Persephone Bolero: And that was very close to my definition, Hope.
[12:17:59] Reni (serenityaeon): we can't act in this environment, therefore we have to describe our actions, reactions, feelings etc. that's what we do when we are emoting
[12:18:24] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Very true. Riyanna?
[12:18:40] Rÿaηηa (ryanna.foxclaw): an emote is a way to express what your character is doing and how they are reacting to the things around them. as Sl animations can't do everything for us, emotes enhance our story.
[12:18:53] Persephone Bolero: Yes, exactly. And Michel?
[12:18:56] Michel Morane: an emote, is a non-spoken post. A paragraph that can describe emotions, a situation, a position, an action, any information usueful to other players (players, not characters), without necessarily using words spoken by the avatar
[12:19:35] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Though I would include dialog as part of the emoting process. Khaing?
[12:19:39] Khaing Zar (raigann): a way of expressing an emotion in a dramatic way ie way that others can see or hear
[12:20:03] Persephone Bolero: Yep. It can express more than feelings, too. Salsabil?
[12:20:04] Salsabil (malmuirie): a verbal description of the character's behaviour or demeanour?
[12:20:39] Persephone Bolero: Yes, these are all what emotes are, what they're trying to accomplish, and information they can convey. I define an emote as your character’s action or reaction to what’s happening in the roleplay situation. It is your contribution to the story.
[12:21:12] Persephone Bolero: Now, we all know that metagaming and godmodding create bad emotes. That’s for the beginner’s class, and you all are seniors in this school. So, besides the obvious don’ts, what makes a good emote? Anyone?
[12:21:26] Persephone Bolero: Bonni?
[12:21:28] 亗 Bღnni 亗 (bonnipark): an emote can be a face expression and a mind ... a rambling thought, a hand movement things to do things that make it look livelier
[12:21:47] Persephone Bolero: Yep. True. Hope?
[12:22:08] Khaing Zar (raigann) left chat range.
[12:22:18] Hope (elusive.cristole): I find a good emote is one that makes you feel what the character is feeling, identify with them, feel their pain or happiness.
[12:22:45] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And that's at the heart of what I hope to explain today. Mad?
[12:23:08] Mad (aliya.sahara): A good emote not only expresses and describes your own characters actions, it can be an invitation to others to participate or further a story.
[12:23:51] Michel Morane: (.)
[12:23:58] Persephone Bolero: Yes, that's a good point, and it's something I probably won't have time to cover today, but a good emote will leave a little doorway for others to react.
[12:24:32] Persephone Bolero: There's a lot of aspects to good emote crafting.
[12:24:37] Persephone Bolero: Because of the collaborative nature of roleplay, it can be harder than writing fiction. In fiction writing, we strategize how to reveal information to the reader. This strategy is called exposition. There are basically two methods: narration and scene. Narration TELLS the reader information, and scene SHOWS the reader information.
[12:25:22] Persephone Bolero: Narration is very useful for quickly getting across facts to the reader, but it lacks any color. It’s very black and white. Sometimes, you don’t need color. You want the reader to know the protagonist is a veteran of World War II, but now he’s in his 80s. So, you don’t need to take the reader back to that time in his life and show him being an allied soldier fighting in Europe. You just need the reader to know that fact to understand something relevant to the story.
[12:25:31] Void Gift (kigra.gasser): .
[12:26:29] Persephone Bolero: Void?
[12:26:34] Void Gift (kigra.gasser): A good emote can carry a lot of information. Sometimes expressing things trough pure conversation won't give the right idea. Sometimes you need to pull a lie, and somehow carry the information over to the other player. That can done easily with a good body language emote, without explaining to the other character that you are actually lying right to her face.
[12:27:19] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Sometimes you want another player to know you're lying. Reni?
[12:28:09] Reni (serenityaeon): a question: it is said often that emoting thoughts is bad roleplay. i want to disagree there a bit. i think emoting a thought might be useless for the other IC player but can give a hint to the person behind the screen why my character is acting in a certain way
[12:28:25] Reni (serenityaeon): ((that wasn't a question o.o))
[12:29:19] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And it's generally avoided because no one can read your thoughts. However, it is tempting when trying to give other players information to want to write out thoughts. Hope?
[12:29:29] Hope (elusive.cristole) loves an emote that throws you off guard, that you have to think fast as the story has just taken a drastic turn.  A total change in direction from one character changes everything and perhaps even your perception of the other character.  If an enemy shows empathy, kindness or emotion to you that you never suspected they were capable of.
[12:30:38] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, that's a different level than the crafting of the emote itself. But surprises create challenges, which can be fun. Mad?
[12:30:57] Mad (aliya.sahara): My comment on thought posting.  It should not be done in a way that others can't respond.  Support your thoughts with body language, etc. Then its ok. It is especially bad to do a negative thought post or unspoken insult that can't be countered without 'metagaming' that post.
[12:31:39] Persephone Bolero: Yes, precisely. That's a good suggestion for those times you have to emote thoughts. Back it up with something people could know. Khaing?
[12:31:45] Khaing Zar (raigann): I believe the essence of a good emote in RP is that it's communicated in a way the other RPer can reasonably recognise & that allows them to respond - it can be words, suggested tone of voice...a gesture...or an action
[12:32:10] Persephone Bolero: All good points. So, as I was saying with narration....
[12:32:24] Persephone Bolero: Narration lacks the ability to relate an emotional experience. When you want the readers to experience, say, a character’s anger, you should SHOW the anger in a scene.
[12:32:51] Persephone Bolero: Consider this narration of an emotional experience….Traffic was very thick that morning. He was going to be late to work, and his boss warned him, if it happened again, he’d be fired. Looking at the line of cars ahead of him, he got very mad.
[12:33:19] Persephone Bolero: Now, compare that to this same passage….
[12:33:29] Persephone Bolero: The cars ahead of him started to move again and he quickly sped toward the car in front of him, only to jerk forward against his seatbelt when the procession stopped 20 feet down the road. He had been late twice last week, and his boss warned him, if it happened again, he’d be fired. He looked at the dashboard clock and sighed a low growl. He gripped the steering wheel, his fists balls of steel. The hair on the back of his head stood up. Ahead of him was a line of motionless steel, like lava hardened across a road. He slammed a fist into the horn futilely.
[12:34:25] Persephone Bolero: The difference with that passage is the reader gets to experience the character’s emotional reality much more lucidly. It doesn’t SHOW him being late to work and his boss’s threat. It TELLS the readers that so they understand why he’s so angry. But the anger is a scene the reader can experience because it SHOWS the emotion.
[12:35:08] Persephone Bolero: This is the difference between showing and telling in writing. Show Don’t Tell, as the rule is stated in fiction writing.
[12:35:26] Persephone Bolero: So, what the hell does all that have to do with emoting? With roleplay, you’re very limited in your ability to narrate anything. The narrative voice, except in first-person stories, is always outside the character. That makes it very difficult to use in roleplay. Almost everything must be SHOWN.
[12:36:09] Persephone Bolero: I’ll try to illustrate this for anyone who might not see where I'm going here....
[12:36:20] Persephone Bolero: Persephone, my character, got lost on a hike, and her shallow friends, who found her annoying, ditched her in the jungle. Her first encounter with naked natives presented some shock. That scenario narrated would produce an emote like this….
[12:36:50] Persephone Bolero walked up to the native tribe and saw the men wore no loincloth. Being from Los Angeles, she had never seen men standing around with their cocks out, except that weird homeless guy. All these natives seemed to act naturally, as if being nude was the most normal thing to do. She felt very uncomfortable and wasn’t sure how to act around them. “Hi, I’m Persephone.”
[12:37:38] Persephone Bolero: There are a couple issues here, as many of you are aware. There’s a lot of information there that other players would have to metagame to act upon or react to. You don’t put thoughts into an emote. And all the emotions are told to the other players. They would have to assume how they know she’s uncomfortable, which runs the risk of describing her reactions.
[12:38:21] Persephone Bolero: Though, again, Mad had a good suggestion for how to utilize thoughts, by adding details other players could see and react to.
[12:38:44] Persephone Bolero: So, that means emotes require the player to SHOW pretty much everything that isn’t simulated by Second Life such as clothing and setting. Show Don’t Tell. And that can be a huge challenge.
[12:39:05] Persephone Bolero: In roleplay, a better approach to this city girl’s introduction would be….
[12:39:26] Persephone Bolero came around the rock and noticed the natives were mostly nude. She froze where she stood. Her wide eyes blinked and then she averted them away from the bared breasts and penises. “Hi, I’m Persephone. Do you know where I might charge my iPhone? I need to get an Uber.”
[12:40:13] Persephone Bolero: Second Life shows her light skin and city clothes. From there, you have character actions and dialog to SHOW other players what you want them to know about you.
[12:40:42] Persephone Bolero: And then there’s your profile background, which is a brief description. Other players can avail themselves of that knowledge OOC, but, of course, they just can’t use it directly in the RP. But a bit of description fills in some of the holes that arise from the limitations of Second Life. You can’t, after all, easily demonstrate that your city girl is wearing a Gap shirt and Old Navy capris, for example.
[12:41:22] Persephone Bolero: Make sense? Any questions, comments, or thoughts?
[12:41:51] Persephone Bolero: If not, I'm going to start talking about sex. Anyone? Salsabil?
[12:41:53] Salsabil (malmuirie): Is there a danger of 'over-emoting?" I can think of times when I've gone and made a cup of tea while someone is typing, only to come back and find a short story explaining how they have just picked their nose...
[12:42:16] Khaing Zar (raigann): laughs
[12:42:42] Eliza (ann.skyther): giggles at the mention of sex
[12:43:15] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, that was something I thought about going into today. The question of para-RP versus shorter form. Sometimes para-RPers do take it a bit far. Like you don't need a paragraph to explain how you walked across a room. I don't encounter over-emoting much, but it does happen.
[12:43:15] Rÿaηηa (ryanna.foxclaw) chuckles
[12:43:19] Persephone Bolero: Michel?
[12:43:30] Michel Morane: I was thinking the same than Salsabil. There is a compromise to find between describing well, and being concise, especially when in a group. And I won't detain anyone else from sex now.
[12:44:26] Amazon Sim Messenger V3: Nayeli has restarted
[12:44:34] Persephone Bolero: Oh, I'll be getting into sex. You all know me. But yes, I think that comes from para-RPers who feel they have to do paragraphs every post. Sometimes you can just do something short, especially in, like, a quick dialog exchange or a simple action.
[12:45:07] Persephone Bolero: Something to keep in mind when you're emoting, yes.
[12:45:17] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[12:45:54] Hope (elusive.cristole): I have a problem in capture role play where 12 characters are para role playing in a 20 m range and you have no clue whats going on as you are just looking for your name.  I find it so much easier if you can actually follow the screen enough to know what is happening to the others around you as well.  Group role play is very hard.
[12:46:39] Reni (serenityaeon): agreed
[12:46:39] Persephone Bolero: Yes, when there's a crowd, especially if you're interacting with more than one of the people in the group, it's a good time to keep things short. Michel?
[12:46:44] Michel Morane: sorry, one short additional thought: respect people with translators... Complicated sentences are a mess to translate, sometimes we must take that into account in the way we write sentences
[12:47:30] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, another good point. I try to do subject, verb, predicate sentences when I'm with someone who I know isn't speaking English as their first language. And it's a challenge for me. I have to stop and think about it.
[12:47:45] Persephone Bolero: Khaing?
[12:47:48] Khaing Zar (raigann): I don't claim to be a 'one-liner' or a para RPer but try to go with the flow. Respond appropriately to the situation and to the dynamic between you & the other RPers.
[12:48:22] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, that's a good idea to accommodate other players as much as is reasonable.
[12:48:23] Persephone Bolero: Mad?
[12:49:42] Persephone Bolero: Frugal, you can go if you're ready.
[12:49:47] Frugal: What about "passing the baton of role-play", leaving openings and loose threads for others to respond?
[12:50:47] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, timing matters too. And I forget this a lot when I'm in a group. Someone says something *glances at Tantrica* and I just need to reply. And then I speak out of turn. In a group, you do want to get a flow going and stick to it.
[12:50:53] Persephone Bolero: Salsabil?
[12:50:59] Salsabil (malmuirie): referring to what Michel said, if I am with someone whose first language is not mine, I try to keep my words clear and unambiguous so they are easier to translate. It's not always easy, but can be very helpful.
[12:52:02] Persephone Bolero: Mad is typing, and then I want to talk about sex.
[12:52:17] Mad (aliya.sahara): Commenting on what hope said about keeping up in large scenes. There is a way to set preferences so your name is highlighted when it is spoken in posts. In big scenes you break up in smaller groups.
[12:52:31] Mad (aliya.sahara): can alos said key words
[12:52:49] Mad (aliya.sahara): I played a duchess. anyone saying Duchess stood out.
[12:53:02] Mad (aliya.sahara): one more thing.
[12:53:04] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, key word alerts are very helpful. Though, anytime someone says "per" I get a beep.
[12:53:09] Persephone Bolero: Yes?
[12:53:14] Mad (aliya.sahara): People think its not okay to emote a name they have not learned IC.
[12:53:37] Persephone Bolero: Okay, Khaing?
[12:53:40] Khaing Zar (raigann): Even when the other person does speak the same language, there can be differences & misunderstandings eg British and American English. Always wise to be as clear as we can be
[12:54:00] Mad (aliya.sahara): ...
[12:54:04] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, I wasn't sure my use of the word "cray-cray" would translate.
[12:54:31] Persephone Bolero: So, there’s another tool that can be used in emoting to SHOW players information, and that’s the power of sensuality. I’m not talking just about sex, which many of you know is my favorite topic. I’m talking about the fact there are five senses. Second Life simulates a lot of what is seen, but people, I think, miss opportunities for providing sensory details that aren’t visual.
[12:55:13] Persephone Bolero: For example, when my character is moaning breathlessly, I can emote “/me moans breathlessly.” That does SHOW what she’s feeling. But if her face is pressed into a pillow, I can emote, “Her muffled moans fill the room as she struggled to breathe through the pillow he presses her face into.”
[12:55:55] Persephone Bolero: In both cases I add sound, and in the second case, I add detail to that sound. But those are just two senses. What about taste, smell, and touch? Perhaps this roleplay scenario takes place with a dingy straw pillow on a soiled mattress. There are all kinds of sensory details to explore there, like this….
[12:56:32] Persephone Bolero: Her muffled moans fill the room as she struggled to breathe through the pillow he presses her face into. The fabric brushed roughly against her cheeks and nose, as his weight pressed her body into the acrid stain on the center of the mattress. She squirmed feebly beneath him, gripping the edge of the mattress, as his thrusts slapped against her backside.
[12:57:16] Persephone Bolero: I have every sense there but taste. So, when you are writing an emote, try to get another sense in. I use a sex scene as an example, but this could be used in all kinds of roleplay. When your captor is shocking you in the electric chair, add a detail about the smell of burning flesh. When your character eats a strawberry her friend gave her, describe the sweet juiciness of it, in addition to expressing her thanks and smiling with gratitude.
[12:58:02] Persephone Bolero: These details SHOW a lot about your character’s thoughts and emotions, which are can be used by the person or people with whom you roleplay without anyone metagaming. It's kind of what Mad was saying earlier.
[12:58:07] Persephone Bolero: Mad, you have a comment?
[12:58:15] Mad (aliya.sahara): .
[12:58:23] Mad (aliya.sahara): no
[12:58:29] Persephone Bolero: Okay.
[12:58:40] Persephone Bolero: Lastly, another tool we use is dialogue. I save it for last because there’s not a lot to say about it. I do find punctuation is very helpful in determining what is said, and I encourage people to use some form of it to separate quotes from action or other information in an emote.
[12:59:05] Persephone Bolero: However, of course, you can use dialogue to impart information to other players. Quite simply, your character says things to other players. “I am very mad at you” is a perfectly legitimate way to express emotion in roleplay. However, you can really create a more vivid emote if you couple the dialogue with details that SHOW that anger. As in….
[12:59:38] Persephone Bolero: “I am very mad at you,” she said, glaring fiercely at the captive, her finger pointing at her angrily. “I think it’s time to introduce you to my good friend, Mr. Strappy.”
[13:00:04] Reni (serenityaeon): o.o
[13:00:08] Persephone Bolero: My main point about dialogue is not to rely on it too much. Much richer emotes can come more from what’s not said than what’s said. I think, anyways. Some might disagree.
[13:00:35] Persephone Bolero: Any questions, comments, or otherwise on that or anything else we discussed here?
[13:01:27] Khaing Zar (raigann): ((apologies - RL calls - thanks so much Persephone))
[13:01:40] Persephone Bolero: I appreciate how much you all engaged. There were some good points brought up about emoting I didn't think to include.
[13:01:51] Persephone Bolero: Thank you all for coming. And I very much look forward to collaborating creatively with you all in the jungle.

Wednesday, January 16, 2019

Roleplay class from Tuesday, January 15 2019 - developing a character

[14:50] spirit : 0.5 HP deducted for spirit teleport
[14:50] Persephone Bolero: Hello Mad. Thanks for coming.
[14:50] Dawn (dawningsmist): Hi Mad
[14:51] Persephone Bolero: Hi Syd. Good to see you.
[14:51] Mad (aliya.sahara) smiles around and waves, "Oh but of course!"
[14:51] Syd Straaf: hey there
[14:51] Mad (aliya.sahara) waves, "Hey Pop pop."
[14:51] Dawn (dawningsmist): Here fantasizing  on how to make Chad look like Denzel Washington .....
[14:51] Syd Straaf: hi Mad
[14:52] Dawn (dawningsmist): Waves at Syd and Rodeo
[14:53] Persephone Bolero: Welcome back, Rodeo.
[14:54] Rodeo Dastardly: Thank  you Pers
[14:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): (( back ))
[14:55] Dawn (dawningsmist): Welcome back
[14:55] Dawn (dawningsmist): You missed it
[14:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Dawn you would want to ake Denzel look like me, its easier.
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Giggles
[14:56] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): HI Maddie
[14:56] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hey Syd
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): You might be right
[14:56] Mad (aliya.sahara): Hello Chaddy
[14:56] Syd Straaf: hey Chad
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Would take awhile to grow all that hair
[14:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): he could do it though
[14:57] Persephone Bolero: Hello Syrissa. Thank you for coming.
[14:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hey Syr
[14:57] Syd Straaf: hi Syri
[14:57] Dawn (dawningsmist): Wiggles fingers at Syrissa
[14:57] Syrissa Broono: hi
[14:58] Persephone Bolero: Hi Hope!
[14:58] Hope (elusive.cristole): Hello Perse.  Hello everyone.
[14:58] Persephone Bolero: Hi Kimera. I met you the other day when I was with Void, right?
[14:59] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hi hopeless
[14:59] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hows your face?  *grins*
[15:00] Hope (elusive.cristole) frowns as I turn so he can see all the bruises.  "Fine, I'm just fine.  Thank you for asking."
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): sup i dont remember XD
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): a void?
[15:00] Persephone Bolero: Well, thanks for coming, Kimera.
[15:00] Syrissa Broono: you two wanna sit together?
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): np
[15:00] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Oh no Syrissa, no thanks.
[15:00] Persephone Bolero: I'll give it a couple more minutes for the stragglers.
[15:02] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): smaller crowds are more intimate Perse  ;)
[15:02] Persephone Bolero: And we all know how much I like intimacy.
[15:02] Persephone Bolero: We'll have more time for discussion this way.
[15:02] Syd Straaf: we could make it more interesting by shooting up the place
[15:03] Persephone Bolero: I do appreciate you all coming. And I hope you'll get something out of this.
[15:03] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Syd, with three Raiders here, their chances are slim to none.
[15:03] Persephone Bolero: And I can't run in heels.
[15:04] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): heels in the amazon XD
[15:04] Persephone Bolero: So, we'll get started. Feel free to emote and all during class. With this small of a group, we don't have to worry as much about local getting cluttered. However, if you have something to say, of course, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
[15:05] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) applauds, like when the advertisements are finally over the movie is actually starting.
[15:05] Persephone Bolero grins at Chad.
[15:05] Persephone Bolero: I’ve been a teacher in RL and SL, at the college level. I have a background in creative writing and incorporate some fiction-writing techniques into my roleplay. A couple people asked me to hold a class on these approaches to roleplay. So here we are today.
[15:06] Persephone Bolero: Eileen! Thank you for coming.
[15:06] Persephone Bolero: We’re going to talk about creating well-rounded, three-dimensional characters. If you’re not familiar with the basics of roleplay, such as godmodding and metagaming and proper emoting, you might find all this hard to follow, but you’re still welcome to participate.
[15:07] Persephone Bolero: I think everyone here is well versed in all that.
[15:07] Persephone Bolero: So, let me ask you all a question. Who here can tell me what your character’s greatest fear is?
[15:07] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) raises hand
[15:08] Persephone Bolero looks at each of them. "Yes Chad!"
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: This should be good.
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: Then I'll get to Hope and Kimera.
[15:08] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) clears his throat and speak, "Being alone.  I hate it!"
[15:08] Eileen Ceawlin: raises hand
[15:08] Mad (aliya.sahara) raises her hand also
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: Alright, great. That's got some dept.
[15:08] Dawn (dawningsmist): Awwwwww
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: *depth.
[15:08] Syd Straaf raises his hand too
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: If you have something to say, of course, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
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[15:09] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[15:09] Hope (elusive.cristole): Falling for someone and the feeling not returned.
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: Oooh. Very good. That's a very relateable fear.
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
[15:10] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): losing his former self
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: What do you mean?
[15:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well he was a host of a well meaning tv show and during a mishap in the jungle, he had to do things he normally wouldnt to survive
[15:11] Persephone Bolero: Oh, I see. Okay. This is great. You all have thought deeply about this. I'm impressed.
[15:11] Persephone Bolero: Mad?
[15:11] Mad (aliya.sahara): My character's biggest fear varies. Mad has a personality disorder. Peaceful vegan Mad' biggest fear is extinction of any animal.  Feral unmedicated Mad's biggest fear is being trapped. Also don't take her meat.
[15:12] Persephone Bolero grins. "Excellent."
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: Eileen?
[15:12] Eileen Ceawlin: being a poor fighter and not meeting the expectations set into me
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: Okay. I know that feeling.
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: And Star?
[15:13] starlinya19: Losing remorse, when you act based on your mind you survive, but what's left of you might not be worth surviving
[15:13] Persephone Bolero nods. "Nice."
[15:13] Persephone Bolero: Rodeo?
[15:13] Rodeo Dastardly: I have to agree with chad, I hate being alone even though I am with a lot of  people. My best  friend  who I came here with is mostly in the states, so I have  no one to do things  with
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, hard to roleplay by yourself.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[15:14] Syd Straaf: being brainwashed or mind controlled
[15:14] Rodeo Dastardly: yes it  is
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Oh, interesting.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: And Dawn?
[15:14] Dawn (dawningsmist): Being "boxed in" type cast and not being understood as a fluid person.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Okay, all great answers. Thank you everyone.
[15:15] Persephone Bolero: In my experience, a lot of roleplayers often don’t really think about this kind of question. This is not the case with you all. Yet it’s important. Your character’s fears are her shortcomings. And those shortcomings generate unfulfilled wants and needs. These not only make your character more human and realistic. As I will demonstrate, those faults are opportunities for richer roleplay.
[15:15] Syrissa Broono takes notes as a wicked smile forms on her lips while she writes down who and wht fear.
[15:15] Persephone Bolero: I think most of you have seen Titanic, the 90s movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. I use this as an example because most people are familiar with it, but don’t worry if you haven’t seen it or hated it when you did. It’s just a characterization example.
[15:16] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): "Spoiler alert:  The ship sinks."
[15:16] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): DAMMIT!
[15:16] Eileen Ceawlin: but your heartwill go on and on...
[15:16] Persephone Bolero: Hehe. Yes. There's more to it, though.
[15:16] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) grins
[15:16] Persephone Bolero: In the movie, Rose DeWitt Bukater, played by Kate Winslet, is a wealthy teenager engaged to Cal Hockley, a snob. The marriage will offer her a life of privileged comfort, and she feels obligated by her family to marry Cal. But she’s not happy. She also feels a longing for individually and adventure. She’s trapped between her own personal desires, and familial expectations and pressures. She’s afraid of disappointing her family.
[15:17] Mad (aliya.sahara): He was so hot though...that snob.
[15:17] Eileen Ceawlin: nearl like RL
[15:17] Mad (aliya.sahara): I'd have stayed.
[15:17] Persephone Bolero: Insert Jack Dawson, played by DiCaprio. Jack is a poor adventurer who lives life fearlessly and to the fullest, despite having very little money. He piques Rose’s desires for liberty and brings out her internal conflict. This is all the more enhanced when the Titanic sinks. Jack saves her life, while sacrificing his own. Her family believes her dead, and she goes on to live a life of adventure, forever changed by the experience on the ship.
[15:18] Persephone Bolero: Well, I’m going rewrite this plot as if the writer never thought about what Rose feared.
[15:18] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty) Knows they both could have stayed on that door, dammit*
[15:18] Persephone Bolero: Let’s say, instead of being conflicted, Rose doesn’t give a shit what her family wants. Fuck them. It’s her life, right? She doesn’t care about their wealth. She’ll get by without it. She meets Jack, tells Cal to go fuck himself, and the ship doesn’t sink. Instead, Jack and Rose arrive in New York, get married, and live happily ever after.
[15:19] Eileen Ceawlin: untile everyday lie splits them apart
[15:19] Eileen Ceawlin: life
[15:19] Persephone Bolero: For those of you arriving, welcome. If you have something to say, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
[15:20] Persephone Bolero: What’s missing here in my rewrite, and why would this movie never be made?
[15:20] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
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[15:20] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): conflict
[15:20] Dawn (dawningsmist): Internal conflict?
[15:21] Persephone Bolero: Conflict, yes. Key element of every story. However, in terms of characters, what's missing. Eileen?
[15:21] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): "the struggle"
[15:21] Syd Straaf: all the death
[15:21] Eileen Ceawlin: tension  lives from not fulfilleld desire..fufliffled desire is not moving...
[15:21] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): depth
[15:21] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Mad?
[15:22] Mad (aliya.sahara): oh they nailed it. I was gonna say conflict too
[15:22] Persephone Bolero: Yes, conflict is missing. What is missing in my rewrite is that Rose has no weaknesses that are challenged by the events that take place in her life. Even if the ship did sink, what she wants, she just goes and gets. That’s not a story. A story is somebody wanting something, and he or she has to go through hell to get it—or go through hell only to lose it.
[15:22] Persephone Bolero: It’s important for your characters to have flaws and shortcomings, where their self-doubts come out. These are not blemishes to be hidden or erased. As I will demonstrate, they’re opportunities for great roleplay because they challenge your character. They make him human.
[15:23] Persephone Bolero: Let me offer another rewrite of the Titanic story. We’ll call this Die Hard: Titanic.
[15:23] Persephone Bolero: In this version, Jack falls in love with Rose and decides to fight Cal for her. Cal has men and guns. Jack, being poor, has to fashion makeshift weapons and Molotov cocktails, and the two rivals battle it out on the ship to see who wins Rose’s love.
[15:23] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): If it was a Michael Bay movie, it would have exploded on impact of the ocean floor.
[15:24] Persephone Bolero: Now some of you, especially the guys, are thinking that’s a serious improvement over the sappy chick flick. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But in this plot, the conflict is entirely external. The only thing standing in the way of Jack getting what he wants is someone trying to stop him from getting it.
[15:24] Syd Straaf: I would so go see that movie
[15:24] Mad (aliya.sahara): and the ship sinks and they all die but rose keeps the big diamond instead of throwing it away???? plz
[15:24] Hope (elusive.cristole): There is nothing to fight for, nothing to overcome, a long boring life could be easily changed for a short fulfilling one.
[15:25] Persephone Bolero: A lot of roleplay comes from this basic kind of conflict, and I stress, there’s nothing wrong with it. This class isn’t about what’s the right kind of roleplay. It’s about how to go beyond the basic adversarial conflict, should that be something you want. The combat conflict, as I’ll call it, has nowhere to go once the battle is over. No one is changed or grows from the experience. One person wins, and the other loses. Then they come back and do it again the next day.
[15:25] eowama nods
[15:25] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): *thinks I broke something*
[15:26] Mad (aliya.sahara) claps, "Well said!"
[15:26] Persephone Bolero: So what if you want your roleplay to be more like a good book? How would we do that?
[15:26] Persephone Bolero: Well, most of you, as stated earlier in the discussion already know. Eileen?
[15:26] Eileen Ceawlin: most important and moving are internal struggles not external (combat)
[15:26] Eileen Ceawlin: you have to show them
[15:26] eowama stands as Tan enters, nodding respectfully in her direction
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: Oh hi, Tan!
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: I was about to talk about you.
[15:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hi :) please don't let me interrupt
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[15:27] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) does a double take at Tan's chest
[15:27] Syrissa Broono whispers.. "don't do that, her head is big enough
[15:28] Syrissa Broono: besides she hates it
[15:28] Hope (elusive.cristole): Have something come out of the fight.  Make it for a reason, either personal or for your group.  Figure out what got you about the battle and after math and challenge yourself to change the outcome next time.
[15:28] aponi (jojo.westerlow) blows softly in Chads ear and pulls his long dreads
[15:28] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And Star?
[15:29] starlinya19: We plant a struggle in the situation, most players are too focused on winning the battle, rather then creating a case. We need a reason to RP for.
[15:29] Eliza (ann.skyther): listens to the lesson about Rp'ing knows the class is importan for her to become part of xoco
[15:29] Persephone Bolero: Yes. How do you give that reason? It starts with your character....
[15:29] Persephone Bolero: It starts with creating well-rounded characters who have strengths AND weaknesses. Your character needs a personality in which various wants and needs come into conflict on the inside. And when you drop such a character into the roleplay here in the Amazon, amazing and unexpected things will happen. Sometimes, the internal conflict will give way to violence with other players, but that violence will not be combat for the sake of combat. It will have meaning and purpose.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: So bear with me while I tell you about the character I play. Please don’t metagame and use anything I tell you here in the roleplay.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: Remember, your characters don't know this, and most of it hasn't been discussed with other players in RP.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: Persephone was born and raised in Los Angeles. She’s loyal and generous, among other things, and people generally like her. She is, however, deeply flawed. And the only thing preventing her from getting what she wants is her own fears.
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[15:31] Persephone Bolero: Persephone is, in fact, a conceited, spoiled rich girl whose father is an entertainment lawyer and mother is a UCLA professor of mythology. (Hence the name Persephone.) Persephone was lazy, irresponsible, and a huge disappointment to her high-achieving parents. She graduated high school by the skin of her teeth and flunked out of community college. She now lies about it to everyone in the jungle, claiming she has multiple university degrees.
[15:31] Persephone Bolero: Her status-seeking parents were not above letting her know what a disappointment she was. So, to compensate for the lack of approval from her parents, she sought popularity among her peers. This held her precariously fragile ego together. When she got control of her trust fund at 21, she treated her friends to an all-expenses-paid trip to Rio De Janeiro. Part of this trip included a tourist hike. She got lost on it, and her friends didn’t care. They reported her missing to one street cop and then went dancing at the clubs. The people she thought adored her were far more interested in her money than her friendship.
[15:32] Persephone Bolero: This was a realization Persephone just couldn’t bear to accept. So, she ends up lost in the Amazon with her ego coming unglued at the seams. In order to hold it together, she deluded herself into thinking these Monks, who she believes are from another planet, are holding her hostage for some nefarious plan of world domination. The notion she’s saving the world makes her feel important. And she convinced herself the reason her friends ditched her in the jungle was not because they didn’t really care about her, but because the Monks controlled their minds.
[15:33] Persephone Bolero: One day, she came across Tantrica and told her this cockamamie story about the Monks preventing her from going back to Los Angeles. Tantrica, being Tantrica, exploited this. She told Persephone she can help get her answers if Persephone completed some tasks. The first was for her to go around collecting semen samples. Persephone’s desperation clouded her skepticism, so she agreed. She spent a week begging guys to let her give them hand jobs. (Oddly, this is a lot harder than you’d think.)
[15:34] Mad (aliya.sahara): hhaha I remember that
[15:34] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, Mad was there.
[15:34] Persephone Bolero: Long story made slightly shorter, Persephone came to realize it was a cruel joke and now holds a deep IC grudge against Tantrica to this day. This was a conflict that grew entirely out of the natures of Tantrica and Persephone, without any combat. For Persephone, the struggle was entirely internal—a problem exacerbated by Tantrica’s manipulations.
[15:35] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): Carolus: *Crosses his legs* >3>...
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[15:35] Persephone Bolero: Again, there’s nothing wrong with combat. Persephone might someday snap and take Tantrica hostage. We’ll see. But I had so much fun with this roleplay, even though I knew OOC a cruel joke was being played on my character. This is one of the benefits of this kind of roleplay. You become so engrossed in the story, you forget about your own OOC pride.
[15:36] Persephone Bolero: The important thing to see here is two key concepts. Persephone wants something, and her own shortcomings are preventing her from getting it. It doesn’t matter if you play a Raider or a native chief. Everyone is fallible. Incorporating these aspects into your character can create conflicts beyond combat—or even give the combat more meaning.
[15:36] Persephone Bolero: It also allows your character to grow over time. In fiction writing, we call this a character’s arc. Let me illustrate this point real quick.
[15:37] Persephone Bolero: Persephone’s plight has been impacted by Kiki. Kiki is a girl who can barely talk and gets confused about everything. She’s impulsive and childlike. Unbeknownst to Persephone, Kiki was raised by animals. Persephone could never get her head around that idea, so she believes Kiki is just mentally handicapped.
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: Persephone has taken on a motherly role with Kiki. She helps Kiki with those things the cat girl can’t do herself, like talking, and Persephone gets a friend who actually loves her. For all Persephone teaches Kiki, Kiki taught Persephone what it means to be truly loved and needed.
[15:38] Persephone Bolero pauses for the "awwww."
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: Okay....
[15:38] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: By having this internal conflict inside my character, external events have shaped Persephone. She is not the same woman she was when she first came to the jungle. She’s less trusting because of her experiences with Tantrica and others. But her experience with Kiki has allowed her to find beauty in the Amazon as well. She’s still crazy Persephone who thinks aliens are holding her hostage in the jungle, but she has evolved and will continue to do so.
[15:38] Eileen Ceawlin: chuckles
[15:38] eowama: Great story line!
[15:39] Persephone Bolero: So…enough about me.
[15:39] Persephone Bolero: Mad, you have a comment?
[15:40] Mad (aliya.sahara): I just want to comment here.  All you said about combat and making conflict have depth applies to sex too in my book. Randomly trying to screw some one rather than build some sort of story that may possibly lead to sex is a bore for many players. Its like bam boom you did it. I wish people would pace themselves.
[15:41] Persephone Bolero: Fair enough. Of course, so of us girls like to be ravaged and that can come about pretty spontaneously. But yeah, you're absolutely right. It can apply to sex AND violence, or a mixture of the two.
[15:41] Persephone Bolero: Kimera!
[15:41] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): I found a good way to avoid getting your ooc pride hurt in rp is distancing your identity from your character's. Carolus has my morals, but anything that happens to him, I must remember is not aimed at me.
[15:42] Persephone Bolero: Yes, it helps if you're not playing someone who is you. Aside from a conference in Long Beach and changing planes at LAX, I know nothing about LA. I'm actually not much of a city girl. I prefer small town life. And I often have to Google things about LA in the middle of RP to make sure I get it right.
[15:43] Persephone Bolero: Chadwick dear?
[15:43] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Yes, I agree.  OOC comes in when people hold their avatar too close to themselves.  It's a pixel person, not you.  So I agree with Kimera.
[15:43] Persephone Bolero: Yes! And Dawn?
[15:43] Dawn (dawningsmist): This is great info, but hardly fits in a back story. i guess you use it mostly to figure out your characters reactions based on this "floorplan"? On a chance meeting, like in RL, there is no way to externalize this as a global picture, just whatever happens in that chance meeting might be a tiny window into the persons psychological structure. Do you have a way of amplifying the exposure of this in a chance meeting? Thats where i personally could use some help, as so many aspects of me try to fit in that im either a whirlwind or paralyzed.
[15:45] Persephone Bolero: Well, Persephone's greater story, especially the issue with her friends, came out once with Baron. He suggested to her maybe her friends didn't give a shit about her and Persephone freaked the fuck out about it. But yeah, it rarely comes out directly. Few people would ever know a lot of these details, even if she were willing to reveal them. However, having this detailed character impacts how I react to others.
[15:47] Persephone Bolero: So, the purpose of having a well-rounded character is not the same as having a back story. A back story is an abridged version of your character. You don't have to put in your pick every little gory detail about your character's shortcomings. However, understanding yourself what they are will guide her choices and her reactions. The story may only be known to you, but it's still quite satisfying.
[15:48] Persephone Bolero: Chad?
[15:48] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Also, I just wanted to state for the record, that especially  if you and Mad are there, you can give me a hand job anytime.  By order of Tantrica, or not.
[15:48] Persephone Bolero: I'll keep that in mind. Kimera?
[15:48] Persephone Bolero smirks at Chad.
[15:49] Persephone Bolero: I don't think I knew you back then.
[15:49] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) winks and points at Perse
[15:49] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): there is also the chance of character development during rp that changes how characters react to others. Example: Carolus was a tv host, so he was used to greeting others openly
[15:49] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): now he just waves and moves on after being captured for being in the wrong place at the wrong time
[15:50] Persephone Bolero: Yes, change and growth is what comes from characters who are well developed. The RP becomes collaborative, extemporaneous fiction writing. And just as in real life, everyone's got a story.
[15:51] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[15:51] Syd Straaf: Sometimes I like to think of all this as a movie, and we're all characters in it. The audience only knows what we show them.. bits and pieces of our past but mostly what we say and do. I try to act in a way that would be entertaining and believable for an audience. The people watching would need to see us as reasonably consistent, hopefully following a growth arc, and doing things that seem believable for the situation.
[15:52] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And in any fiction, movie or novel or short story, you develop far more detail about your character than is often revealed to the readers. You have to.
[15:53] Persephone Bolero: All this can be applied no matter what kind of character you play, and to the combat as well. What if a native chief is deep down indecisive and doubtful of himself, despite the respect he has in the tribe? And fearing others might question his ability to lead, he starts a war with another tribe just to prove his prowess?
[15:53] Persephone Bolero: What if a Raider decided he needed a gravestone made out of pure gold, all to compensate for a terrible fear that when he dies, no one will remember him? I hate to encourage more Raider theft, but at least the violence stemming from this internal conflict would have more meaning than just the pew-pew-pew-ha-ha-I win stuff.
[15:54] Persephone Bolero: So I implore you to ask yourselves, what does your character fear? What are his or her faults? Anyone want to volunteer to tell me what your character wants more than anything else in the world and what internal, conflicting fears and desires prevent him or her from just going out and getting it?
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: Chad. You said your character fears being alone.
[15:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Power.  Respect.  Authority.  Thats what he wants more than anything.
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: And why doesn't he have any respect. *snickers* Anyone want to answer that?
[15:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: Seriously, though. Why does he want those things?
[15:56] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar): Cause we're all pregnant?
[15:56] starlinya19: raises hand
[15:56] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar): :P
[15:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): hes not Denzel Washington?
[15:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Looks at Chad
[15:56] Persephone Bolero: So what if someone doesn't respect him, Chad? What does power, respect, and authority serve for him?
[15:57] Rodeo Dastardly: its  just an illusion
[15:57] Persephone Bolero: So are Persephone's issues, Rodeo. Life is an illusion.
[15:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): It gives the opportunty to find out why they don't and in some cases, break them until they do.   *grins*
[15:57] Rodeo Dastardly shurgs  true
[15:58] Mad (aliya.sahara): I love this class
[15:59] Hope (elusive.cristole): You can't beat respect into someone, it has to be earned.
[15:59] Persephone Bolero: Yes, well, there are many, many men who seek that very thing. And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't ask to put you on the spot. I ask, because that's how to round out your character. Yes, everyone has needs. Some are pretty obvious. Why do you want food? You die without it. Others are more complex--human needs. What does Persephone want? Adoration? Why? Because she fears she's not worth admiring.
[15:59] starlinya19: what if he feels un-worthy, seeks the respect he doesn't have for himself from others? maybe he just wants to be noticed and taken cognizance of
[15:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) has a ?
[15:59] Persephone Bolero: Tantrica?
[15:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the question is, however, how are we getting all those who do NOT sit here - to have the patience and eagerness to see the backstory? i can pull my hair each time when someone calls me "goddess" and i cringe each time when people do not take any time to immerse themselves in a RP area.. how can we get people to consider that we are here in a RP area with developed characters and a backstory? that is a question i have no answer yet for, sadly (and for the records: i really hate it to be referred to as goddess)
[16:01] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): (oooh you're who they meant!)
[16:01] Rodeo Dastardly: laughs
[16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) rolls eyes
[16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am serious about hating it
[16:01] Persephone Bolero: Well, I would start with these classes. That helps. And I would accept the limitations of this cartoon world we have. Not everyone is going to play at this level. I started this class asking questions about characters' fears. And I was pleasantly surprised how many great answers I got. So, there'll always be that core group that "gets it." And then we can help those that want to get it. For the rest, well, every movie needs extras.
[16:01] Rodeo Dastardly will never call Tantrica  anything but Tantrica
[16:01] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): i was talking about a goddess before and they thought I meant you
[16:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you
[16:03] Persephone Bolero: Anyone else want to answer the question, what your character wants more than anything else in the world and what internal, conflicting fears and desires prevent him or her from just going out and getting it?
[16:03] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[16:03] Hope (elusive.cristole): Hope was happy on her own, she was safe.  When she joined the bandits she thought she has to fight and win, and get them amo and make food or they won't like her and kick her out.  She doesn't want to care, she pulls back, to get an emotional or physical reaction from her it has to be forced.  She is terrified she is not good enough for anyone, and no one would really want to be with her once they see her flaws.
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: Very good. See, that's from the heart--the fiction heart. Don't be afraid to be vulnerable.
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: I should say, don't be OOC afraid to be RP vulnerable.
[16:04] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): 1. To get home 2. to get a curse on him lifted. Getting home is one thing, but the curse is a fertility curse where he must procreate to break it, but he's... asexual
[16:05] Persephone Bolero: Ooooh. Now that's interesting. So, does he have a plan? Is he just going to...go through with the act and try to make it work?
[16:06] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well, I really didn't give him a choice, as as long as he holds off, he gets some pretty dirty needs
[16:07] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[16:07] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): soooo he has to find a chick to bang and have a kid with for reasons only I know
[16:07] Syd Straaf: I want to cause havoc. I love scheming and stirring things up. It's got to be dramatic, too. I've always told people: "Years from now your children's children's children will still speak of me. They will say that the ghost of Syd still haunts the shopping mall where the jungle used to be." The problem is I don't really want to hurt anybody. I'm supposed to be a big bad Raider but I'm actually kind of a softy.
[16:07] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs, "Beware of the elusive Child Support."
[16:08] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): pffft XD
[16:08] Persephone Bolero: Ah, now that's a good conflict too. And it's definitely something that comes up in lawless lands. Ruthless often rules. What do you do if you're not ruthless?
[16:09] Mad (aliya.sahara): Awe Pop Pop
[16:09] Persephone Bolero: Kimera, one thing to note, too, is trying to get a girl pregnant, whom you're not really attracted to, creates all kinds of layers of conflicts. What if she falls in love with you?
[16:10] Rodeo Dastardly: child support for life ohh  wait not in the jungle
[16:10] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) chuckles and looks down the row of seats at Hope
[16:10] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well thats the conflict I was going for. But Carolus has another fear that he may have to use desprete measures,
[16:11] Persephone Bolero wiggles.
[16:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): while going back to the lawless land espect
[16:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): and if he dooooes, there goes his morals
[16:12] Hope (elusive.cristole) turns red at the look and looks front again concentrating on Perse's words.
[16:12] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): >w> worried?
[16:12] Persephone Bolero: True. And that's the point. He has conflicting desires. And from that stems all kinds of choices and reactions with other players. And from that stems stories, which is great roleplay.
[16:13] Persephone Bolero: So, for your homework, class, please think about why your character wants the things he or she wants. And why he or she wants them. And think about maybe why he or she can't just have them. Think about the things that make your character weak and afraid, because they are what makes your roleplay strong.
[16:14] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): yee
[16:14] Persephone Bolero: Thank you all for being so engaged. You're a great class, and I'm glad I did this. I hope you all got something out of it.
[16:14] Rodeo Dastardly: nooo   it  cane be over yet
[16:14] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): juice box time!
[16:14] Mad (aliya.sahara) claps, "I will do that!"  I really enjoyed this class. Consider myself addvanced but still picked up a great amount of tips herer. Ty Persephone!
[16:14] eowama: I hope you will do another class, Persephone! This has been really helpful!!!
[16:15] Persephone Bolero: Eowama, did you want to say something?
[16:15] Hope (elusive.cristole): It was good Perse, it really made me think more of the character and her reactions.
[16:15] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) claps for Perse, "Thanks Perse!"
[16:15] Rodeo Dastardly: Yes  plese  do  another class
[16:15] eowama: Yes, can I say something about Eowama's conflicts?
[16:15] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): yaaay development!
[16:15] Syd Straaf: thanks, P, good class!
[16:15] Persephone Bolero: I probably will repeat this class on an earlier time for the Europeans, and then I'll think of some more topics to explore.
[16:15] Eliza (ann.skyther): yes please do Perse I really did enjoy the class it was interesting
[16:16] Rodeo Dastardly: Yes this  was wonderful
[16:16] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) cheers "Great job!"
[16:16] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): fun stuff
[16:17] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) sticks out her tongue and winks at Chad "Hey Chadie."
[16:17] Eliza (ann.skyther): Cheers for Perse as well."Wonderful job done Perse."
[16:18] Persephone Bolero: Thank you, all.
[16:18] starlinya19: "Thanks Perse", waves to everyone and leaves
[16:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Pesephone! that was really cool!
[16:18] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): i wanna rp now XD More character development!~
[16:19] Syd Straaf: see you later everyone
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Baiiiii
[16:20] Kahlan Khandr: Chadie  hmmm  takes a note
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Would  you like me to log this on a NC Perse?
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Or did you already?
[16:21] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) winks at Kate, "Hey girl.  Looking cute today."
[16:21] Dawn (dawningsmist): Hi Tan, Aponi

Sunday, January 6, 2019

OOC Open Meeting - Transcript (6 Jan 2019)

[12:03:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now. i am happy that so many came to join us here today.. and for a group in this size it is esssential that we keep a small protocol
[12:03:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is very simple.. the protocol is also at our back here at the big white wall
[12:03:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it works like this:
[12:03:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. if you want to say something, click the blue cube in front of me, your name will appear on it.. click it only 1x and only briefly
[12:04:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if your name does not appear do not panic, do not click hectically, just wait, and click in a few seconds later again
[12:04:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no need for cardiac arrest if lag prevents things to work, do not panic
[12:04:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. once you clicked the cube 1x write ahead, but DO NOT send it with enter.. just wait till we call your name
[12:05:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 3. once you are called, send the text (enter) and the name will be removed from the cube
[12:05:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that way we make sure everyone can get their message across in atimely manner without chaos
[12:05:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): everything that you say here will be recorded and published on a blog later
[12:06:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): alright, that was the formal part. now the fun begins...
[12:07:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so las time i opened with a short story what happened in my IM.. this time i have no such stories..
[12:07:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i start, without any particular cause maybe with things thrown at me
[12:08:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was asked in my IM about the style how i do things and why i do them...
[12:08:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i do not feel particularly like explaining myself - however, i would like to point out that when you see as bystander, or witness in chat.. that i take action..
[12:09:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that you can rest assured there was a lot of history going on. and sometimes my actions - or reactions - need to be visible - but most of the times, they are not
[12:09:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was also asked when i ban, why i ban
[12:09:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is actually one reason that makes me ban swiftly..
[12:09:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is when i feel like hospitality is abused...
[12:09:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that regularly makes me want people to be gone...
[12:10:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): imagine the amazon as my living room., - and then ask yourself if you want people call you in your living room cunt or behave like complete jerks
[12:10:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): one persone being banned (a chietess of a tribe) wished me death in RL - i think i want to mention this here too.
[12:11:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. enough of the view behind the scenes :)
[12:11:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): on the forefront we have made some adaptions to the weapon system
[12:11:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so we increased the range of melee and the power of melee weapons to 3.25 meters and 3 HP
[12:11:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i plan to make this eek a new set of  scripts for those of you who make wepaons
[12:12:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the new set will offer flexible attachment points... and a connection for your own extensions, like particle effects or sounds
[12:12:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe next weekend
[12:12:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, that was my list, things i had written down
[12:12:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now your turn.. anyone?
[12:13:01] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): I would like to bring up strawberries.. Since they are so hard to come by would it be possible that would could grow them ourself?
[12:13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Baron is the master of trading things.. /looks at Baron
[12:13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) pokes Baron in the side
[12:14:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): It is certainly possible to do that - with hours and hours of dedicated scripting :p
[12:14:23] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): laughs
[12:14:23] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): so thats a yes? jk
[12:14:27] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I will add it to my huge to do list :-)
[12:14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so  yah we will look into it
[12:14:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse?
[12:14:59] Persephone Bolero: One day, after a combat scenario turned into a bunch of drama, I realized how unsatisfying the combat RP in the Amazon often is. It’s almost never sexual. It rarely includes anything other than torture and extortion, which is lazy and repetitive. And it often turns into OOC drama. On the other hand, I realized, my non-combat RP is incredibly sexy. It’s often elaborate and complex, with multiple layers of conflict. And it’s never—not once!—turned into OOC drama. I would highly recommend people try going green. The RP can be so much more fulfilling, and it’s drama-free.
And you can still have physical conflicts with the dice. I have a pick in my profile that details a system I use. It’s a great way to get more out of your RP. Since males typically play video games a lot more than women, females are often at a disadvantage in pew-pew-pew.  With dice, lag never affects outcomes. And since an attacker can easily lose no matter his skill, it places him in the position of not attacking just to stroke
[12:14:59] Persephone Bolero:  his OOC ego with an easy victory. He has a 50/50 chance of being captured, which keeps combat less of a video game. Best of all, if the attacker is just someone whose idea of capture RP is “Haha, you lost. Give me coins,” you can walk away and spend your time with creative, sexy roleplayers. This is no critique of Tantrica’s combat system. It’s the best I’ve seen in SL, and I don’t want to start a bunch of judgements against people who want to stay yellow and enjoy that combat system. I may still go yellow or purple sometimes myself. I just want people to consider the possibilities of going green and/or doing combat RP with dice. It’s got a lot of untapped potential. We’ve been given a lot of tools to make this RP experience fun and individualized. We should use them all.
[12:17:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree, that creative RP and metered combat are often in a conflict. sadly. yes. and that i would like to see more ERP i also outlined a lot. dice can be very ineresting and yes.. i second that, that my most interesting RPs were those where no shots were fired at all
[12:17:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tanzie?
[12:18:09] Ƭαηzίє  (tansyfancy): oing back to the growing of things....would love to be able to grow strawberries..but what about herbs? Maybe only able to be grown  by healers?
[12:18:14] Ƭαηzίє  (tansyfancy): going *
[12:18:53] Kaname (kaname2k18): addition to what Mika asked: would it not be better is friuts like strawberry, cherrie or apple have more then one place to get them?
[12:19:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): herbs - have been an issue lately where i was asked to revisit their availability...
[12:19:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): one healer has put it like "we only need to find one patch and it is like a herb supermarket"...
[12:20:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why we have reduced their availability - and will see first how that goes. i would like to do this together with the healer group - so, if there are wishes for things to change go please to your healer mentor (or one of them) and they will collect, discuss and see what to do about it, with me
[12:20:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): apples and stuff i cna maybe grow at a 2nd spot, yes
[12:21:13] Syd Straaf: In response to Perse, some of the best fighters in the jungle are female. There is absolutely no issue with men having an advantage in combat.

Also, in regards to picking fruit, maybe a solution is not having less rez, but having them rez in different places randomly and at random intervals so nobody can camp for them.
[12:22:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah yes, i have heard now repeatedly about fruit campers.. maybe some "unsit, force stand, force yellow" after a period of time will also reduce the number of campers..
[12:22:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will take notes about the things we discuss and check what to do about
[12:22:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing?
[12:23:09] Khaing Zar (raigann): What a charming guy, Syd is!
I'd like to say two things, first to thank Tantrica for changes that followed the last OOC meeting. The other point is a plea for tolerance & respect.
[12:23:34] Khaing Zar (raigann): This relates to some of what perse was saying
[12:23:39] Khaing Zar (raigann): Tantrica & admin are trying hard to promote good RP. We all spend time & money here because we LOVE Amazon & its opportunities for RP. But many of us are tired of drama over RP or non-RP about fighting & are concerned about native friends leaving Amazon because of that.
[12:23:55] Khaing Zar (raigann): A few fighters have the attitude that Amazon is solely about CARP. Xoco has been told more than once, ‘if you’re yellow you‘re fair game - or go green’ & that Amazon isn’t about natives sitting round campfires singing & dancing. They seem to want us to fight endlessly & do nothing else. I talk for Xoco because that’s my tribe, but lots of other natives agree with us.
[12:24:12] Khaing Zar (raigann): Xoco has great fighters, a good number of them. They love fighting. BUT they love other aspects of RP too. Amazon is about CARP - but also about having fun with quests, hunting, living as indigenous peoples, sex, exploring, swimming, Mama Allpa & tribal events.
[12:24:33] Khaing Zar (raigann): Earlier this week over 48hours, we were attacked 9 times in our camp. Most of those times there was little/no RP before or after & no clear reason for the attack - it’s simply attack, disrupt, down & run tho - a couple of times captives were taken. There’s been no provocation - we’re attacked while we’re dancing, chatting, just sitting around or trying to hold a meeting.
When Xoco take captives some RP, some don’t
[12:24:49] Khaing Zar (raigann): Our Friday dances were meant to be amnesty events with no weapons, they were aimed at bringing Amazon folk together & promoting goodwill - they’ve been threatened with attack & have been attacked twice now - causing great resentment.
[12:25:01] Khaing Zar (raigann): These kinds of fights & their frequency disrupt yellows & greens. I just want to make a plea for some common sense, RP etiquette & respect for others.
[12:25:40] Khaing Zar (raigann): Rules help...but we need goodwill from everyone too!!
[12:26:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tolerance and respect is something that we should remember ourselves daily.. one thing i often see (not only here but also from admins on other sims) is that residents resort fast, amazingly fast to swear words and insults. which is why i put my foot down in amazon chat for example pretty swiftly as soon as i am aware..
[12:26:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and my helpers are explicitly encouraged to do the same.. amazon is not the stress-relive room for juvenile cellar kids..
[12:27:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also noticed, which want to adress, remarks about the sexual orientation of tribes or people...
[12:27:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in the future such remarks will lead to consequences too.
[12:27:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is no space for such here
[12:27:41] Khaing Zar (raigann): thank you
[12:28:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also, if you plan to attack a tribe, it would be good to IM the tribe leader or faction leader beforehand - maybe not on the same day, but to get  a general feel
[12:28:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like "what do you think? shall we have our two grops have some conflict? over what? and how?" one can plan IC stuff OOC
[12:28:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and one should maybe if one learns that ones own style to play causes ruckus
[12:29:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Einstein once said. the greatest idiots are those who do stuff, see it failing, and then repeat it again
[12:29:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, if you learn that the way you RP is unpleasant for others - talk to them, learn from it
[12:29:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[12:29:47] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): Raiders don't like the new healer rule where people go green for 5 minutes after healing. We had something like that before and we usually asked healers to not heal us. I even shot a healer once who was trying to heal me. Because in like 90% of cases we'd rather wait the timer out than be green for 5 min. So we think it might kill combat healing. Is it possible to rethink this?
[12:30:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it sure is possible - the wish came from the healer group - i will put it to discussion there
[12:30:28] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): thanks
[12:30:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :) Zeta ?
[12:31:34] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): I have a couple of questions, one technical.
[12:31:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, you have the floor
[12:31:44] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Raycast - what's the start point for the cast? Is it eye position or avatar centre?
[12:32:12] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): And second, just like to back up what Perse said. One thing that distinguishes good CCarp & RP sims from Combat sioms is the range of combat options - pure P, metered, dice. I'd like (and I know what I'm asking here, I'm a scripter) to see some form of stats-augmented dice as an option for Amazon. Would that be a possibility?
[12:32:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am not going to tell as exactly that was an aim for an attempt to cheat on the raycast - which we defeated
[12:32:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you mean like character sheets? like .. women have a plus here and a weakness there and men vice versa?
[12:33:03] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Ah - now you say ythat, I see it... but that might explain why some apparent clear shots don't connect. Thanks.
[12:33:32] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): No - more like, time you spend practicing improves your stats, not being here they get weaker...
[12:33:55] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Although  character sheet is another way to go (but I wouldn't want it gender or race-based)
[12:34:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the time spending thing could work. yes
[12:34:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will check
[12:34:24] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Thanks! That's my lot.
[12:34:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[12:34:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Chad?
[12:34:32] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): I can't recall if there was a vote or not for the height change (being over 2.00M tall caused HP to reduce faster) but could we hold a vote or revisit this?  I have heard numerous others have the same experience as I have, where much of my time is constantly eating, whereas before I didn't need to eat as often and wait as long to ensure it took, all because I dislike the look of my avatar as a tinier form.
[12:35:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you enable the RLV features you won't need to eat more
[12:35:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is a deal of sorts, immerse more and get rewarded
[12:35:33] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Isn't that where we cant see the list of people nearby?
[12:36:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): RLV in the current state will remove name tags (but keep names in chat and lists) and minimap, it is a *very* mild rlv
[12:36:31] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): ok thanks
[12:36:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am happy about the progress we made.. if i look at other regions, hulks galore.. where i could give them a blowjob - while standing upright..
[12:37:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i find that freaky, big time!
[12:37:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse ?
[12:37:27] Persephone Bolero: I’ve had much to say about the sexual timidity of men in this jungle. Some of them complain they’re labeled disparagingly as rapists and perverts if they’re sexually aggressive, and it’s a legitimate complaint. I want to encourage all men not to give a shit what other people think about what they do with other consenting adults. I get labeled a slut all the time, which is basically the flip side of the same prudish, judgmental coin. I like skin against skin. I like lips brushing against lips. I like sweat mixing with sweat. And I like bodies in all shapes and sizes and genders. Sorry-not sorry. Yes, respect limits as absolutely sacred. An OOC “no” is never, ever a suggestion. Otherwise, guys, go out and be perverts and rapists. Please! If someone who is not a part of your RP scenario has a problem with it, let it be their problem and ignore it.
[12:37:52] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And take a look at Height Chad to make your avatar look more real when realisticaly scaled - there is, I believe, a TP in the spirit
[12:38:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it puzzles me anyway.. we all dish out serious cash for skin, mesh body, physics, attachments that enhance our body...
[12:38:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then are shy of using our body?
[12:39:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and yes what i said earlier.. remarks about the sexual orientation of people have no place here..
[12:39:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and neither have remarks about the sexual lifestyle.. i got (seriously!) a report about someone camming into other peoples huts while they were shagging...
[12:40:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that was just before i logged in and he person who did that (she knows who she is) can already anticipate disciplinary actions for that level of creepyness
[12:40:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): unbelievable...
[12:40:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoey ?
[12:40:45] Zoey (shardsofice): I would like to bring up a case for easier transport of captives since birds are no longer being used for this. It gets very difficult to rp with people when you have to drag multiple or even one person through different sims. This is even worse when They have shorter time limits on rp, say only 30 min carp times. I spend a majority of that time walking someone and have no time to form a good rp because you cannot talk and walk at the same time. However, with the rescuing allowed again you cant just rp with someone in close range of where you had downed them. I love CARP rp and I ty to make it as entertaining as possible for anyone I take as a captive, try to build stories etc. But its very difficult to do when you have to drag someone 15 minutes before you can talk. by that time, everyone is in a bad mood.

Also, perse. I'd just like to second Syd when he said a lot of fighters here are female. And just being realistic but sometimes you have to be a bit more aggressive to be the sexual pred when you're the
[12:40:45] Zoey (shardsofice):  girl going for male. You say threats etc. don't work or aren't creative. To be realistic, sometimes you have to use something. And I'm pretty creative both scenarios.
[12:42:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): leashing on simborders is sadly an SL limitation. transorting people on eagles has led to all kinds of unrealistic situations - however. we do offer on each tunnel locatoin a vehicle that transports up to seven people
[12:42:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and seven is quite a number
[12:42:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[12:43:04] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): I would like to request that helicopters be unbanned. Helicopters were never involved in any of the cheats with the extra fast birds, etc. They are not even good combat vehicles since they take time to start. Helicopters are a sightseeing vehicle. One of my favorite things to do in the jungle was to fly helicopters. I feel like I am Rambo in Vietnam. Have you seen the jungle on Ultra Graphics flying overhead in a heli in midnight mode with a spotlight? It is a sight like no other. Please unban helicopters.
[12:43:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "i will look into it
[12:43:44] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): thanks
[12:43:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Black Widow
[12:43:54] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): This question is from Kylie Via Skype, she's not able to make it to the meeting due to her working... schedule ((A concern I have is when the arrest you for whatever reason and you are a healer but got arrested for something totally different, why must you also lose your healer status ))
[12:45:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because the healer group takes pride in the tag and wants only the best in them. if that shall be changed then the healer mentors are to be addressed for that. i am quite happy how well that group in the amazon is organized and if i remember 2017, to compare, we have a lot better healer quality now, hence i would like to not decide over their head.. take it to them please and when they want a change i will look into it
[12:45:53] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): thank you
[12:45:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[12:46:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[12:46:13] Syd Straaf: To add to the issue of movement and transporting caps... The tunnel is great except it's really difficult to tell which exit is which. You have to fully turn and then wait for the name to rez. This seems minor but it's really kind of frustrating and I hear a lot of people complain about it. There's got to be some easier way to mark them.
[12:46:22] Syd Straaf: Also, transporting caps across sim lines... I know that's SL's fault, but like Zoey said, it can be really difficult to find someone's bind and people often have to resort to derendering plants. One solution is for the caps to run across the line themselves if they're not down.. cooperate with your captor. Another idea is maybe have some other way to yank a cap.. something on the captor's end of the leash. Helicopters are also useful for this when it's not so laggy that you're sure to fly into a mountain.
[12:47:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the derender of bushes and stuff got worse even by that latest change on the behaviour of clicking on invisible, transparent stuff, as you all prolly learned when trying to pick fruits. one can only hope that that gets reverted
[12:47:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta ?
[12:48:26] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Just to Syd and Zoey's point: Yes, 'a lot' of women are good fighters - most of them are Xoco, of course. But proportionalely far fewer women are good fighters compared with the men. I'm a gamer, but I don't play the FPS games my male friends play that might possibly give me an advantage here.
[12:48:37] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): And, separately, I'd like to see those who tp out and run back when downed, be appropriately punished - maybe by being made longer-term captives of those who downed them?
[12:49:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): to my knowledge, if you teleport out of amazon and then return, your timer starts new. - is that not so?
[12:50:07] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): I've never done it, I'm afraid i wouldn't know. If I'm downed I stay down.
[12:50:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, ok, that timer restarting is at least what i intended to script - sometimes though - what i meant to script and what i have scripted .. varies :D
[12:50:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please check and inform me when you find bugs, preferably via help
[12:51:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse
[12:51:25] Persephone Bolero: Since a few people have mentioned it, I should respond. I feel my greater point is drown in a debate over gender disparities in video gaming. That was a very small detail in a much larger point about under-utilized tools in the RP. If I’d have known this comment about genders was going to be so distracting, I would have left it out. I would ask Syd, Zoey, and anyone else who disagrees with me about that point to please go back and read that whole comment. Just ignore the part about gender disparities. Even if you’re right and I’m wrong about that point, it doesn’t diminish the value of the greater point I was making, which was not really related. Thank you.
[12:52:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "For what its worth - i find our RPs always enjoyable
[12:52:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namida ?
[12:52:19] Namida Giulia: is it possible to make a sort of stackable debuffs, for example: the  1st time that you go down, your max HP will be 18 for 4 hours, if you go down a 2nd time max 16 HP for 8 hours, a 3rd time max 14 HP for 16 hours and so on? Also: good idea Harold, i liked to fly the helicopter quite a lot, and yes i think it has a 10 or 20 seconds start time, it's also somehow realisticish and quite good if you fly it in 1st person :3
[12:54:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hours of restriction i see often with mixed feelings as a lot of people visit here after RL work (and, there is the rumour that some RL jobs still require attention, so they can't play here when working) -so if those get to play only 2h a day between work, family and sleep then any longer restriction is a huge blow to their sparetime.. but i get the point and will think of something
[12:54:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dojiba ?
[12:54:54] Dojiba Elswit (dojiba.sabra): I'd like to say something about the helicopters.  If they are enclosed, they can be used as a shield of sorts when flying, resulting in it taking more hits to get downed. Also, crashed and burning helicopters cause lag, especially when the flames regenerate.
[12:56:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i thought, or.. would like to think.. that my script unsits seated people on vehicles with 33% chance as soon as the vehicle gets hit.. i will test that with a helicopter
[12:56:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dee ?
[12:56:33] Dee (dg.button): With the more frequent changes in rules or expected best RP practices that come from these meetings,
can you try to keep a page on the Blog updated with the changes.
[12:56:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes! absolutely ! :D
[12:56:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): IF!
[12:57:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if we find someone willing to maintain the blog - volunteers please use the help button! if we have many volunteers we shall make it a lottery who gets it :)
[12:57:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sadly - we try since years to find volunteers for that
[12:58:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[12:59:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): As an aside the reference pages on the Blog are updated with major changes
[12:59:06] Syd Straaf: I reread Perse's comments and here are a couple of thoughts...
[12:59:13] Syd Straaf: I might also point out that when it comes to straight old torture of caps, the women have the men beat (no pun intended). There are a handful of people in the jungle that I would be absolutely terrified (IC) to be capped by, and they are all women.

As far as using dice, I feel that pulls me out of character and ruins my immersion, so I'd rather not use them.

And also, I have taken one of Maccuss' rp classes and in it he suggested that most of the time when you cap someone you should do some short rp when you are rather than take the cap back to your camp. Not all rp has to last a long time and rolling someone for coins seems to be a perfectly logical and fun way to get some quick action in.
[13:00:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have on our list by the way to move coins from being physical - into the spirit as value to be stored. but! that willl not happen soon. it is just on our list for this year
[13:01:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kitteh ?
[13:01:14] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): regarding helicopters...while I am sure most do not use them to cheat, in the past they have been useds as a weapon of sorts in transporting crocs from the water to camps.   or cages being hung from them and used to drown people....if brought back what would stop that from happening again?
[13:01:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) laughs "that .. such things! that dear people is why we made the flight restrictions! everything nice gets abused!
[13:02:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoe?
[13:02:41] Zoey (shardsofice): In response to Namida, that sounds like an interesting and cool wait to have wait times, but it could also get very discouraging for people who either by way of lag or bad days really aren't the best fighters. they'd get downed constantly and always end up with lower hp's which leads to more time being spent downed. could end up being a huge frustration. And when you are down, sometimes during group fights you get downed by both sides, stray shots etc. You'd end up with like 5 hp max for days which really isn't much fun either.

As for perse's comments, Using dice for me takes away the whole immersion feeling of the game. And While sexual rp is quite entertaining, if that's all there ever is it gets to be very monotonous. Other forms of play can be invoked that are not sexually based.
[13:03:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): variety is the spice that is sure
[13:03:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Alexandra ?
[13:03:34] Alexandra (alexandralara): I would like to add my support to the request that helicopters be unbanned. To address Kitteh's issues - people drag crocs over with birds now.  And I thought there was a rule now against flying unwilling passengers? That should address the drowning issue.  Otherwise, the same could be done on a bird.
[13:04:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe i should just rescript crocs
[13:04:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm
[13:04:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:04:22] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Responding to Namida's suggestion. I know when I get capped and the fight is still going I'm going to be downed 2-3 more times. I think a system that punishes you each time you are downed wouldn't be a good idea like that. And Doji the helicopter thing as a shield. As it stands now, our very own Amazon Eagle bird cannot be shot except at a specific spot. Any other spot you waste just as much ammo. And Zoey just took the first part of my comment >:(
[13:04:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[13:05:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): eowama ?
[13:05:41] eowama: If I may make a friendly suggestion for my fellow RPers, I've seen a lot of emoting gestures like "Takes their weapons and ties them up", which is a piss-poor replacement for RP, besides being godmoding. They say it takes too long to RP it correctly in a battle, but it takes more time in RL to do it than in RP to say it, so that argument doesn't stand. If it takes too long, then hey, your captive will get away! So what? More RP around that! So in summary, this is a plea for better CARP RP, spending more time on it and making it more fun and interesting for everyone. Thank you.
[13:06:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[13:06:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. prefab emotes are so very uninspiring
[13:06:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i had once a guy even who had prefabs for ERP...
[13:06:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): his lines gave it away when he used them on me, like "grabs your big tits and squeezes them....
[13:07:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please.. no prefab emotes
[13:07:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they are just boring
[13:07:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): zeta?
[13:07:50] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Helicopters... in a real jungle, they're practically useless - can't land anywhere, can't fly low,can't see through the canopy. (We're not talking Army Air Corps Apaches here.) Could they be made no-combat with a rule about only rezzing &  landing at designated helipads (and no carrying crocs)?
[13:08:23] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Also, I think we're starting to go round in circles, can I propose closing the list and finishing up?
[13:08:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think the helicopter issue is maybe something i need to evaluate with some of the helicopter users
[13:08:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so i get more details
[13:08:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): outside this meeting
[13:08:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mika ?
[13:09:20] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): So with no prefabs and we quickly write out the same thing (( similar wording. )) . it has to be accepted?   also does this apply to combat healing?  We all have combat heals made up.
[13:09:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am not going to ban prefabs (simply for the reason that i can't monitor that)
[13:09:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however
[13:10:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): when i am downed, as i am now, and  i run around a lot  like i am now....
[13:10:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i get
[13:10:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "takes all your weapons (i only have one) and all your com devices (i don't carry any)"
[13:10:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then that sets already a mood where i think "groan! amateur!"
[13:11:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, if you use prefabs, make them at least fitting.. plus...
[13:11:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): on an additional note...
[13:11:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i am downed and then get a wall of text in a boilerplate prefab that is supposed to cover all eventualities.. in an amount of text that you can have impossibly typed in the 10 seconds after capture where you present them to me...
[13:12:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it makes me place you automatically in the "must win by all means" corner.. as reflex
[13:12:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is nothing i enjoy, that is maybe just me.. dunno - but i dislike it big time
[13:12:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[13:12:42] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): There are helipads in many camps Zeta. Raiders, mercs, bandits, etc. In the real jungle people fly helis too. they are the most versatile vehicle for such terrain.
[13:12:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:13:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Chad?
[13:13:20] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): I just wanted ti add my support for the helicopters being unbanned.  I used a 2 seater, small copter that helped get a captive over sim lines very easily and made for some good views being up so high under the propellers.  It was only ever used to transportation when I needed to bring another since we can't do damage in a seated pose anyway.
[13:13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[13:13:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname ?
[13:13:55] Kaname (kaname2k18): I wanted to know if you can something to about the Jaguars at Cat adore. i once shot all my ammo on them and didnt kill it anyway. if youre alone. its easyer to lure im to a place to "park him" than to shot tis animal down.
at short: they more heavy to kill than some group of attackers at our camp. :)
[13:14:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will check them :)
[13:14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoey?
[13:14:50] Zoey (shardsofice): just putting in a plea here for combat rp. If I spend time trying to rp tying someone up properly and looking them over and you say that if I can't do it in time you get away. which is more realistic....I just shot you. (many many times I might add...realistically you'd be dead. very dead.) so your running away is highly unlikely. I know what you are trying to say, but its hard to have it be more realistic both sides with it still being a game where time counts :) As a side note, I try not to use responses that are preplanned
[13:16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah.. i have to agree - if your timer runs up but you see your captor is about to send you an emote.. running away is maybe not the best way to conduct the RP
[13:16:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): always keep two things in mind:
[13:16:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. if your captor is serious about their RP (and not a pew pewer) then being the captor in the scene is sometimes a lot of work and pressure - even if enjoyable
[13:16:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honor it
[13:17:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and 2. the metered combat is only a HELPER to get RP started. it is not the meaning of RP. it is just a reason to have RP
[13:17:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy
[13:17:43] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): The reason we are forced to saying weapons, and coms is because so much of the past experiences have to be covered.. People pulling hidden weapons, people having bluetooth earbuds in their ear. They have a lockpick device they cut themselves open with and put it inside of them so if they get caught they cut themselves open and pull it out. All of those have been real things that have been to dealt with, so throwing a blanket statement of "Removes all weapons and com devices", covers things easily when you are trying to leash someone while still in combat.
[13:18:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honestly?
[13:18:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i capture someone who then suddenly has such in their RP...
[13:18:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i drop the leash and walk off
[13:18:49] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Thats the only way to get them to stop fighting if it's a group fight
[13:18:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't even waste the time to say bye
[13:19:05] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Otherwise they stand up and miraculously get weapons again
[13:19:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then report it
[13:19:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no time for such time wasters, if they can't RP honourably they can go to "gor Evolved" or other disney sims
[13:20:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want this also to be known to all who silently read this here - or later on the blog:
[13:20:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you must magic stuff out of your arse because you think it is cool to have a "lockpick device inside you" or "bluetooth stuff in your ear" or such - then the Amazon River is not the roleply region for you and you are NOT welcome here
[13:21:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd ?
[13:21:18] Syd Straaf: Is it possible that whenever we have a jungle-wide vote on something that the issue being addressed be given in much more detail, perhaps on a notecard, along with anything from the issue that might end up being different if the vote is close. I know that's extra work for you, Tan, but very often people aren't sure about what they're voting for, especially if they weren't there for the original discussion in chat. And sometimes what they voted for gets changed after the fact. For instance, I voted against flying on the assumption that all birds/helis would be banned if that position won, but it ended up being just some birds. If I had known that was a possibility I'd have voted differently.
13:22:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is called compromise Syd :)
[13:22:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the voting pro/contra birds was close.. either way - so i had to find something to comfort also the big group of "keep it"
[13:22:37] Syd Straaf: I'm not complaining about that particular result, just the part where I didn't know there was that possibility
[13:22:59] Syd Straaf: I'm just asking that somehow it's all presented up front in a clear and detailed way
[13:23:02] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Try living in the UK with a Brexit referendum :p
[13:23:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): votings are always only a help for us to get the feel - what do you as group want actually - and then i try to model the result so that i cover also those who "Lost" the vote
[13:23:50] Syd Straaf: ok, then maybe that should be clearer
[13:23:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can't make notecards or stuff
[13:26:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, i can't make notecards, because yes it is more time. we offer the blog.. and these meetings, and people who can't be arsed to read the blog i won't pamper with a notecard
[13:26:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry ?
[13:26:21] Syd Straaf: a lot of people think the vote is going to decide the policy.. just a simple statement up front that it's just to give you an idea what we want and not really going to be a decider would go a long way
[13:26:27] Henry Vyceratops: okay, I have one thing I saw lately and I hope was just that one guy at landing I never saw again but seeing picks stating "will not play with people not speaking fluent English or using a translator" makes my inner Hulk mad. those people make a huge effort to play here and should also be respected more

plus ...some peoiple have a list of limits that covers nearly anything but looking into their direction. I really try to always rp something better than just bind, ask money, set free. but some people leave you just no choice . is it possible to make something like agreeing to a TOS of Amazon? like, this is a ADULT sim and CARP, please if you feel is too much to be asked to strip in a rp you might not be in the right place.
[13:26:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, thank you Syd :)
[13:27:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes Henry we regularly demote people for ridicolous limits
[13:27:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): esp. when yellow
[13:27:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Hexy ?
[13:27:47] нεҲץ (ihex): I'd like to know if there's a way besides Fight Club to encourage more use of melee. Because at the moment, it seems like most people think melee is useless and never consider using it. I'm wondering if there's a quest or any type of incentive or reward that can be had for using melee more.
[13:28:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh i hope that is going to change with the latest adaptions, of melee causing more damage than ranged weapons
[13:28:36] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): *gasps*
[13:28:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which is in place since 2-3 days
[13:29:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i plan on a new game also  - more this week - maybe that will also encourage
[13:29:16] нεҲץ (ihex): Ooh can't wait then. Thank you!
[13:29:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Lydia
[13:29:27] Miss Lydia Gwilt (lydiagwilt): are kiwis the new strawberries? they seem to be getting rarer recently...
[13:29:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:29:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well spotted! they were reduced a bit, yes, but not as sparse as strawberries!
[13:29:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:30:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kitteh ?
[13:30:09] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): I have two things.   1.  if there is a vote being brought up and anyone has a question about it you can always ask for an explanation, whether going through the help button or the mouthpiece or simply finding a leader.
[13:30:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): true
[13:30:57] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): my second thing is, don't assume just because you have never rpd with someone that they can't do it
[13:31:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, never assume :)
[13:31:35] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): I've seen quite a few people get pushed off to the side and not bothered with because people 'Think' they dont rp
[13:31:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, i also want to send this out to those who are not yet promoted by seekers.. a thing i observed really a lot...
[13:32:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people walk through the section of the cave where we explain basic roleplay in general, also with the aspect of empty or meaningless profiles
[13:32:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they walk through it, read it...
[13:32:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): leave it..
[13:32:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and profile stays in the same bad shape and doe snot change over the course of the days either
[13:33:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people: if your profile is boring, i won't bother - and so won't any sane RPer or seeker
[13:33:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make yourself interesting there, as a start or you get skipped
[13:33:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[13:33:38] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): There is this woman who comes to the landing regularly in a pink frilly dress. She rotates for like 3 seconds and then tps out. I think its a bot. I forgot her name, but I can report the next time I see her. Is it one of your bots or is something strange going on?
[13:34:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they are from one of those statistic collectors.. the most well known being this one: http://www.gridsurvey.com/
[13:34:42] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): ah ok
[13:34:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:34:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namida ?
[13:34:48] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): ty
[13:34:54] Namida Giulia: since, i suppose, in RL it's quite difficult to run and shoot while you have leashed a captive, is it possible to do that while you are leashing a captive you can't shoot? Because sometimes the captives are also used also as shield, and see 1 player dragging 1 captive, running fast/jumping and shooting is a little bit unrealistic ~
[13:35:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm i will check.. i don't know an easy solution off hand but i will check
[13:35:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname ß
[13:35:46] Kaname (kaname2k18): Everytime i hear about a voting starts i hearsomeone calling get your alts out. Is there a check in it that checks if he has the right to vote?
Like checking that hes in amzon group or an local. or can just anyone who gets at landing can vote? even some onetime explorer.
[13:36:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, everyone can vote. yes. i wished so much we had redzone still (was once a tool that reliably discovered alts)
[13:36:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, no technical way to prevent that
[13:36:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jonas ?
[13:36:49] Jonas Khan (jonaskhan): Why not some tribes/factions set aside a melee day ONLY! So if attacked, attackers MUST melee or set a random day, Amazon wide, as melee only.
[13:37:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can see that as  a contest option, yes
[13:37:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will check
[13:37:20] Jonas Khan (jonaskhan): thanks
[13:37:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[13:37:32]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Seekers were mentioned a while ago. As a mentor, I'd like to throw one thing out there. Seekers are here to judge your roleplay and check your profile as Tantrica just said. Everyday, I see a Seeker approached with something like "Can you promote me...", "Can you bless me..." The key word, as the Wisdom Cave says is "ROLEPLAY". So, ROLEPLAY with them. Make it fun, make it different, propose marriage, be aggressive, hell, capture them (if yellow) and drag them home. Do what you want, but make it ROLEPLAY and make it original and FUN! If you know someone looking for a Seeker, you can't tell them names, but please give them that piece of information!
[13:38:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right !
[13:38:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aaaaand
[13:38:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *drumrolls*
[13:38:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the list is empty!
[13:38:43]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): RIGHT!
[13:38:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that means, we have already settled all issues .. or covered all needs...
[13:39:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): (hopefully :) )
[13:39:03] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): 1 hour and 38 minutes!!!
[13:39:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, that was quick!
[13:39:12] Zeta (zeta.blackheart) thinks of 30 more questions...
[13:39:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins
[13:39:35] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Lat meeting I filled 2 notecards - this one is a single NC - well done everyone!
[13:39:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname?
[13:39:59] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): .
[13:40:05] Kaname (kaname2k18): Additon to Rp drama. I see more that ppl are fighting and the ooc drama starts. cos of example cos its ppl that as sample rape, strip, insult or others things.
But when they lose the OOC drama begins cos that what they usualy do is that what they self do to others regulary. If you talk to them then the ooc drama starts to get realy hot.
Some of them got domoted or kicked out. but 1-2 Days later they back as nothing happens. So what to do? Ignore them?
[13:40:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well if i ban someone they are regularly not back :)
[13:40:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if they are demoted they can be promoted again of course but if there is a pattern they get kicked
[13:40:59] Kaname (kaname2k18): after a wile they back some
[13:41:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): xceptions confirm the rule
[13:41:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus?
[13:41:55]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): EVERYONE needs to be more accepting. Very few times in a complaint is one side totally right and the other wrong. TRY TRY TRY to work things out calmly, DO NOT kill the RP for silly OOC issues
[13:42:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right!
[13:42:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that concludes our session for today
[13:42:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, i thank you all for your attention and time, i am happy that we have such a vivid communiy and i enjoy this , woring for and wit you, also big thank you to my staff, seeker,s guards, mentors and to my partner !
[13:42:53]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Tan and BAron, thank you for giving us this chance to talk
[13:43:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and priestesses !
[13:43:10]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Ah don't worry about them!
[13:43:12] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Thnks you all - and thank you Tantrica for fielding all the questions
[13:43:16] Miss Lydia Gwilt (lydiagwilt): thank you!
[13:43:19] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): thank you for conducting this meeting Tan and Baron
[13:43:28] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): Thank you
[13:43:34] Alexandra (alexandralara): Thank you
~~ meeting adjourned ~~

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