Wednesday, January 16, 2019

Roleplay class from Tuesday, January 15 2019 - developing a character

[14:50] spirit : 0.5 HP deducted for spirit teleport
[14:50] Persephone Bolero: Hello Mad. Thanks for coming.
[14:50] Dawn (dawningsmist): Hi Mad
[14:51] Persephone Bolero: Hi Syd. Good to see you.
[14:51] Mad (aliya.sahara) smiles around and waves, "Oh but of course!"
[14:51] Syd Straaf: hey there
[14:51] Mad (aliya.sahara) waves, "Hey Pop pop."
[14:51] Dawn (dawningsmist): Here fantasizing  on how to make Chad look like Denzel Washington .....
[14:51] Syd Straaf: hi Mad
[14:52] Dawn (dawningsmist): Waves at Syd and Rodeo
[14:53] Persephone Bolero: Welcome back, Rodeo.
[14:54] Rodeo Dastardly: Thank  you Pers
[14:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): (( back ))
[14:55] Dawn (dawningsmist): Welcome back
[14:55] Dawn (dawningsmist): You missed it
[14:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Dawn you would want to ake Denzel look like me, its easier.
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Giggles
[14:56] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): HI Maddie
[14:56] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hey Syd
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): You might be right
[14:56] Mad (aliya.sahara): Hello Chaddy
[14:56] Syd Straaf: hey Chad
[14:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Would take awhile to grow all that hair
[14:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): he could do it though
[14:57] Persephone Bolero: Hello Syrissa. Thank you for coming.
[14:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hey Syr
[14:57] Syd Straaf: hi Syri
[14:57] Dawn (dawningsmist): Wiggles fingers at Syrissa
[14:57] Syrissa Broono: hi
[14:58] Persephone Bolero: Hi Hope!
[14:58] Hope (elusive.cristole): Hello Perse.  Hello everyone.
[14:58] Persephone Bolero: Hi Kimera. I met you the other day when I was with Void, right?
[14:59] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hi hopeless
[14:59] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): hows your face?  *grins*
[15:00] Hope (elusive.cristole) frowns as I turn so he can see all the bruises.  "Fine, I'm just fine.  Thank you for asking."
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): sup i dont remember XD
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): a void?
[15:00] Persephone Bolero: Well, thanks for coming, Kimera.
[15:00] Syrissa Broono: you two wanna sit together?
[15:00] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): np
[15:00] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Oh no Syrissa, no thanks.
[15:00] Persephone Bolero: I'll give it a couple more minutes for the stragglers.
[15:02] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): smaller crowds are more intimate Perse  ;)
[15:02] Persephone Bolero: And we all know how much I like intimacy.
[15:02] Persephone Bolero: We'll have more time for discussion this way.
[15:02] Syd Straaf: we could make it more interesting by shooting up the place
[15:03] Persephone Bolero: I do appreciate you all coming. And I hope you'll get something out of this.
[15:03] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Syd, with three Raiders here, their chances are slim to none.
[15:03] Persephone Bolero: And I can't run in heels.
[15:04] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): heels in the amazon XD
[15:04] Persephone Bolero: So, we'll get started. Feel free to emote and all during class. With this small of a group, we don't have to worry as much about local getting cluttered. However, if you have something to say, of course, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
[15:05] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) applauds, like when the advertisements are finally over the movie is actually starting.
[15:05] Persephone Bolero grins at Chad.
[15:05] Persephone Bolero: I’ve been a teacher in RL and SL, at the college level. I have a background in creative writing and incorporate some fiction-writing techniques into my roleplay. A couple people asked me to hold a class on these approaches to roleplay. So here we are today.
[15:06] Persephone Bolero: Eileen! Thank you for coming.
[15:06] Persephone Bolero: We’re going to talk about creating well-rounded, three-dimensional characters. If you’re not familiar with the basics of roleplay, such as godmodding and metagaming and proper emoting, you might find all this hard to follow, but you’re still welcome to participate.
[15:07] Persephone Bolero: I think everyone here is well versed in all that.
[15:07] Persephone Bolero: So, let me ask you all a question. Who here can tell me what your character’s greatest fear is?
[15:07] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) raises hand
[15:08] Persephone Bolero looks at each of them. "Yes Chad!"
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: This should be good.
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: Then I'll get to Hope and Kimera.
[15:08] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) clears his throat and speak, "Being alone.  I hate it!"
[15:08] Eileen Ceawlin: raises hand
[15:08] Mad (aliya.sahara) raises her hand also
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: Alright, great. That's got some dept.
[15:08] Dawn (dawningsmist): Awwwwww
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: *depth.
[15:08] Syd Straaf raises his hand too
[15:08] Persephone Bolero: If you have something to say, of course, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
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[15:09] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[15:09] Hope (elusive.cristole): Falling for someone and the feeling not returned.
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: Oooh. Very good. That's a very relateable fear.
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
[15:10] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): losing his former self
[15:10] Persephone Bolero: What do you mean?
[15:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well he was a host of a well meaning tv show and during a mishap in the jungle, he had to do things he normally wouldnt to survive
[15:11] Persephone Bolero: Oh, I see. Okay. This is great. You all have thought deeply about this. I'm impressed.
[15:11] Persephone Bolero: Mad?
[15:11] Mad (aliya.sahara): My character's biggest fear varies. Mad has a personality disorder. Peaceful vegan Mad' biggest fear is extinction of any animal.  Feral unmedicated Mad's biggest fear is being trapped. Also don't take her meat.
[15:12] Persephone Bolero grins. "Excellent."
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: Eileen?
[15:12] Eileen Ceawlin: being a poor fighter and not meeting the expectations set into me
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: Okay. I know that feeling.
[15:12] Persephone Bolero: And Star?
[15:13] starlinya19: Losing remorse, when you act based on your mind you survive, but what's left of you might not be worth surviving
[15:13] Persephone Bolero nods. "Nice."
[15:13] Persephone Bolero: Rodeo?
[15:13] Rodeo Dastardly: I have to agree with chad, I hate being alone even though I am with a lot of  people. My best  friend  who I came here with is mostly in the states, so I have  no one to do things  with
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, hard to roleplay by yourself.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[15:14] Syd Straaf: being brainwashed or mind controlled
[15:14] Rodeo Dastardly: yes it  is
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Oh, interesting.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: And Dawn?
[15:14] Dawn (dawningsmist): Being "boxed in" type cast and not being understood as a fluid person.
[15:14] Persephone Bolero: Okay, all great answers. Thank you everyone.
[15:15] Persephone Bolero: In my experience, a lot of roleplayers often don’t really think about this kind of question. This is not the case with you all. Yet it’s important. Your character’s fears are her shortcomings. And those shortcomings generate unfulfilled wants and needs. These not only make your character more human and realistic. As I will demonstrate, those faults are opportunities for richer roleplay.
[15:15] Syrissa Broono takes notes as a wicked smile forms on her lips while she writes down who and wht fear.
[15:15] Persephone Bolero: I think most of you have seen Titanic, the 90s movie with Leonardo DiCaprio. I use this as an example because most people are familiar with it, but don’t worry if you haven’t seen it or hated it when you did. It’s just a characterization example.
[15:16] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): "Spoiler alert:  The ship sinks."
[15:16] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): DAMMIT!
[15:16] Eileen Ceawlin: but your heartwill go on and on...
[15:16] Persephone Bolero: Hehe. Yes. There's more to it, though.
[15:16] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) grins
[15:16] Persephone Bolero: In the movie, Rose DeWitt Bukater, played by Kate Winslet, is a wealthy teenager engaged to Cal Hockley, a snob. The marriage will offer her a life of privileged comfort, and she feels obligated by her family to marry Cal. But she’s not happy. She also feels a longing for individually and adventure. She’s trapped between her own personal desires, and familial expectations and pressures. She’s afraid of disappointing her family.
[15:17] Mad (aliya.sahara): He was so hot though...that snob.
[15:17] Eileen Ceawlin: nearl like RL
[15:17] Mad (aliya.sahara): I'd have stayed.
[15:17] Persephone Bolero: Insert Jack Dawson, played by DiCaprio. Jack is a poor adventurer who lives life fearlessly and to the fullest, despite having very little money. He piques Rose’s desires for liberty and brings out her internal conflict. This is all the more enhanced when the Titanic sinks. Jack saves her life, while sacrificing his own. Her family believes her dead, and she goes on to live a life of adventure, forever changed by the experience on the ship.
[15:18] Persephone Bolero: Well, I’m going rewrite this plot as if the writer never thought about what Rose feared.
[15:18] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty) Knows they both could have stayed on that door, dammit*
[15:18] Persephone Bolero: Let’s say, instead of being conflicted, Rose doesn’t give a shit what her family wants. Fuck them. It’s her life, right? She doesn’t care about their wealth. She’ll get by without it. She meets Jack, tells Cal to go fuck himself, and the ship doesn’t sink. Instead, Jack and Rose arrive in New York, get married, and live happily ever after.
[15:19] Eileen Ceawlin: untile everyday lie splits them apart
[15:19] Eileen Ceawlin: life
[15:19] Persephone Bolero: For those of you arriving, welcome. If you have something to say, click the box. Write out what you want to say, but DON’T hit enter. Please wait until I call on you. This way the discussion keeps flowing and everyone gets a turn to talk.
[15:20] Persephone Bolero: What’s missing here in my rewrite, and why would this movie never be made?
[15:20] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
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[15:20] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): conflict
[15:20] Dawn (dawningsmist): Internal conflict?
[15:21] Persephone Bolero: Conflict, yes. Key element of every story. However, in terms of characters, what's missing. Eileen?
[15:21] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): "the struggle"
[15:21] Syd Straaf: all the death
[15:21] Eileen Ceawlin: tension  lives from not fulfilleld desire..fufliffled desire is not moving...
[15:21] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): depth
[15:21] Persephone Bolero: Yes. Mad?
[15:22] Mad (aliya.sahara): oh they nailed it. I was gonna say conflict too
[15:22] Persephone Bolero: Yes, conflict is missing. What is missing in my rewrite is that Rose has no weaknesses that are challenged by the events that take place in her life. Even if the ship did sink, what she wants, she just goes and gets. That’s not a story. A story is somebody wanting something, and he or she has to go through hell to get it—or go through hell only to lose it.
[15:22] Persephone Bolero: It’s important for your characters to have flaws and shortcomings, where their self-doubts come out. These are not blemishes to be hidden or erased. As I will demonstrate, they’re opportunities for great roleplay because they challenge your character. They make him human.
[15:23] Persephone Bolero: Let me offer another rewrite of the Titanic story. We’ll call this Die Hard: Titanic.
[15:23] Persephone Bolero: In this version, Jack falls in love with Rose and decides to fight Cal for her. Cal has men and guns. Jack, being poor, has to fashion makeshift weapons and Molotov cocktails, and the two rivals battle it out on the ship to see who wins Rose’s love.
[15:23] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): If it was a Michael Bay movie, it would have exploded on impact of the ocean floor.
[15:24] Persephone Bolero: Now some of you, especially the guys, are thinking that’s a serious improvement over the sappy chick flick. And there’s nothing wrong with that. But in this plot, the conflict is entirely external. The only thing standing in the way of Jack getting what he wants is someone trying to stop him from getting it.
[15:24] Syd Straaf: I would so go see that movie
[15:24] Mad (aliya.sahara): and the ship sinks and they all die but rose keeps the big diamond instead of throwing it away???? plz
[15:24] Hope (elusive.cristole): There is nothing to fight for, nothing to overcome, a long boring life could be easily changed for a short fulfilling one.
[15:25] Persephone Bolero: A lot of roleplay comes from this basic kind of conflict, and I stress, there’s nothing wrong with it. This class isn’t about what’s the right kind of roleplay. It’s about how to go beyond the basic adversarial conflict, should that be something you want. The combat conflict, as I’ll call it, has nowhere to go once the battle is over. No one is changed or grows from the experience. One person wins, and the other loses. Then they come back and do it again the next day.
[15:25] eowama nods
[15:25] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): *thinks I broke something*
[15:26] Mad (aliya.sahara) claps, "Well said!"
[15:26] Persephone Bolero: So what if you want your roleplay to be more like a good book? How would we do that?
[15:26] Persephone Bolero: Well, most of you, as stated earlier in the discussion already know. Eileen?
[15:26] Eileen Ceawlin: most important and moving are internal struggles not external (combat)
[15:26] Eileen Ceawlin: you have to show them
[15:26] eowama stands as Tan enters, nodding respectfully in her direction
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: Oh hi, Tan!
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: I was about to talk about you.
[15:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hi :) please don't let me interrupt
[15:27] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[15:27] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) does a double take at Tan's chest
[15:27] Syrissa Broono whispers.. "don't do that, her head is big enough
[15:28] Syrissa Broono: besides she hates it
[15:28] Hope (elusive.cristole): Have something come out of the fight.  Make it for a reason, either personal or for your group.  Figure out what got you about the battle and after math and challenge yourself to change the outcome next time.
[15:28] aponi (jojo.westerlow) blows softly in Chads ear and pulls his long dreads
[15:28] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And Star?
[15:29] starlinya19: We plant a struggle in the situation, most players are too focused on winning the battle, rather then creating a case. We need a reason to RP for.
[15:29] Eliza (ann.skyther): listens to the lesson about Rp'ing knows the class is importan for her to become part of xoco
[15:29] Persephone Bolero: Yes. How do you give that reason? It starts with your character....
[15:29] Persephone Bolero: It starts with creating well-rounded characters who have strengths AND weaknesses. Your character needs a personality in which various wants and needs come into conflict on the inside. And when you drop such a character into the roleplay here in the Amazon, amazing and unexpected things will happen. Sometimes, the internal conflict will give way to violence with other players, but that violence will not be combat for the sake of combat. It will have meaning and purpose.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: So bear with me while I tell you about the character I play. Please don’t metagame and use anything I tell you here in the roleplay.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: Remember, your characters don't know this, and most of it hasn't been discussed with other players in RP.
[15:30] Persephone Bolero: Persephone was born and raised in Los Angeles. She’s loyal and generous, among other things, and people generally like her. She is, however, deeply flawed. And the only thing preventing her from getting what she wants is her own fears.
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[15:31] Persephone Bolero: Persephone is, in fact, a conceited, spoiled rich girl whose father is an entertainment lawyer and mother is a UCLA professor of mythology. (Hence the name Persephone.) Persephone was lazy, irresponsible, and a huge disappointment to her high-achieving parents. She graduated high school by the skin of her teeth and flunked out of community college. She now lies about it to everyone in the jungle, claiming she has multiple university degrees.
[15:31] Persephone Bolero: Her status-seeking parents were not above letting her know what a disappointment she was. So, to compensate for the lack of approval from her parents, she sought popularity among her peers. This held her precariously fragile ego together. When she got control of her trust fund at 21, she treated her friends to an all-expenses-paid trip to Rio De Janeiro. Part of this trip included a tourist hike. She got lost on it, and her friends didn’t care. They reported her missing to one street cop and then went dancing at the clubs. The people she thought adored her were far more interested in her money than her friendship.
[15:32] Persephone Bolero: This was a realization Persephone just couldn’t bear to accept. So, she ends up lost in the Amazon with her ego coming unglued at the seams. In order to hold it together, she deluded herself into thinking these Monks, who she believes are from another planet, are holding her hostage for some nefarious plan of world domination. The notion she’s saving the world makes her feel important. And she convinced herself the reason her friends ditched her in the jungle was not because they didn’t really care about her, but because the Monks controlled their minds.
[15:33] Persephone Bolero: One day, she came across Tantrica and told her this cockamamie story about the Monks preventing her from going back to Los Angeles. Tantrica, being Tantrica, exploited this. She told Persephone she can help get her answers if Persephone completed some tasks. The first was for her to go around collecting semen samples. Persephone’s desperation clouded her skepticism, so she agreed. She spent a week begging guys to let her give them hand jobs. (Oddly, this is a lot harder than you’d think.)
[15:34] Mad (aliya.sahara): hhaha I remember that
[15:34] Persephone Bolero: Yeah, Mad was there.
[15:34] Persephone Bolero: Long story made slightly shorter, Persephone came to realize it was a cruel joke and now holds a deep IC grudge against Tantrica to this day. This was a conflict that grew entirely out of the natures of Tantrica and Persephone, without any combat. For Persephone, the struggle was entirely internal—a problem exacerbated by Tantrica’s manipulations.
[15:35] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): Carolus: *Crosses his legs* >3>...
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[15:35] Persephone Bolero: Again, there’s nothing wrong with combat. Persephone might someday snap and take Tantrica hostage. We’ll see. But I had so much fun with this roleplay, even though I knew OOC a cruel joke was being played on my character. This is one of the benefits of this kind of roleplay. You become so engrossed in the story, you forget about your own OOC pride.
[15:36] Persephone Bolero: The important thing to see here is two key concepts. Persephone wants something, and her own shortcomings are preventing her from getting it. It doesn’t matter if you play a Raider or a native chief. Everyone is fallible. Incorporating these aspects into your character can create conflicts beyond combat—or even give the combat more meaning.
[15:36] Persephone Bolero: It also allows your character to grow over time. In fiction writing, we call this a character’s arc. Let me illustrate this point real quick.
[15:37] Persephone Bolero: Persephone’s plight has been impacted by Kiki. Kiki is a girl who can barely talk and gets confused about everything. She’s impulsive and childlike. Unbeknownst to Persephone, Kiki was raised by animals. Persephone could never get her head around that idea, so she believes Kiki is just mentally handicapped.
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: Persephone has taken on a motherly role with Kiki. She helps Kiki with those things the cat girl can’t do herself, like talking, and Persephone gets a friend who actually loves her. For all Persephone teaches Kiki, Kiki taught Persephone what it means to be truly loved and needed.
[15:38] Persephone Bolero pauses for the "awwww."
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: Okay....
[15:38] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs
[15:38] Persephone Bolero: By having this internal conflict inside my character, external events have shaped Persephone. She is not the same woman she was when she first came to the jungle. She’s less trusting because of her experiences with Tantrica and others. But her experience with Kiki has allowed her to find beauty in the Amazon as well. She’s still crazy Persephone who thinks aliens are holding her hostage in the jungle, but she has evolved and will continue to do so.
[15:38] Eileen Ceawlin: chuckles
[15:38] eowama: Great story line!
[15:39] Persephone Bolero: So…enough about me.
[15:39] Persephone Bolero: Mad, you have a comment?
[15:40] Mad (aliya.sahara): I just want to comment here.  All you said about combat and making conflict have depth applies to sex too in my book. Randomly trying to screw some one rather than build some sort of story that may possibly lead to sex is a bore for many players. Its like bam boom you did it. I wish people would pace themselves.
[15:41] Persephone Bolero: Fair enough. Of course, so of us girls like to be ravaged and that can come about pretty spontaneously. But yeah, you're absolutely right. It can apply to sex AND violence, or a mixture of the two.
[15:41] Persephone Bolero: Kimera!
[15:41] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): I found a good way to avoid getting your ooc pride hurt in rp is distancing your identity from your character's. Carolus has my morals, but anything that happens to him, I must remember is not aimed at me.
[15:42] Persephone Bolero: Yes, it helps if you're not playing someone who is you. Aside from a conference in Long Beach and changing planes at LAX, I know nothing about LA. I'm actually not much of a city girl. I prefer small town life. And I often have to Google things about LA in the middle of RP to make sure I get it right.
[15:43] Persephone Bolero: Chadwick dear?
[15:43] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Yes, I agree.  OOC comes in when people hold their avatar too close to themselves.  It's a pixel person, not you.  So I agree with Kimera.
[15:43] Persephone Bolero: Yes! And Dawn?
[15:43] Dawn (dawningsmist): This is great info, but hardly fits in a back story. i guess you use it mostly to figure out your characters reactions based on this "floorplan"? On a chance meeting, like in RL, there is no way to externalize this as a global picture, just whatever happens in that chance meeting might be a tiny window into the persons psychological structure. Do you have a way of amplifying the exposure of this in a chance meeting? Thats where i personally could use some help, as so many aspects of me try to fit in that im either a whirlwind or paralyzed.
[15:45] Persephone Bolero: Well, Persephone's greater story, especially the issue with her friends, came out once with Baron. He suggested to her maybe her friends didn't give a shit about her and Persephone freaked the fuck out about it. But yeah, it rarely comes out directly. Few people would ever know a lot of these details, even if she were willing to reveal them. However, having this detailed character impacts how I react to others.
[15:47] Persephone Bolero: So, the purpose of having a well-rounded character is not the same as having a back story. A back story is an abridged version of your character. You don't have to put in your pick every little gory detail about your character's shortcomings. However, understanding yourself what they are will guide her choices and her reactions. The story may only be known to you, but it's still quite satisfying.
[15:48] Persephone Bolero: Chad?
[15:48] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Also, I just wanted to state for the record, that especially  if you and Mad are there, you can give me a hand job anytime.  By order of Tantrica, or not.
[15:48] Persephone Bolero: I'll keep that in mind. Kimera?
[15:48] Persephone Bolero smirks at Chad.
[15:49] Persephone Bolero: I don't think I knew you back then.
[15:49] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) winks and points at Perse
[15:49] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): there is also the chance of character development during rp that changes how characters react to others. Example: Carolus was a tv host, so he was used to greeting others openly
[15:49] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): now he just waves and moves on after being captured for being in the wrong place at the wrong time
[15:50] Persephone Bolero: Yes, change and growth is what comes from characters who are well developed. The RP becomes collaborative, extemporaneous fiction writing. And just as in real life, everyone's got a story.
[15:51] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[15:51] Syd Straaf: Sometimes I like to think of all this as a movie, and we're all characters in it. The audience only knows what we show them.. bits and pieces of our past but mostly what we say and do. I try to act in a way that would be entertaining and believable for an audience. The people watching would need to see us as reasonably consistent, hopefully following a growth arc, and doing things that seem believable for the situation.
[15:52] Persephone Bolero: Yes. And in any fiction, movie or novel or short story, you develop far more detail about your character than is often revealed to the readers. You have to.
[15:53] Persephone Bolero: All this can be applied no matter what kind of character you play, and to the combat as well. What if a native chief is deep down indecisive and doubtful of himself, despite the respect he has in the tribe? And fearing others might question his ability to lead, he starts a war with another tribe just to prove his prowess?
[15:53] Persephone Bolero: What if a Raider decided he needed a gravestone made out of pure gold, all to compensate for a terrible fear that when he dies, no one will remember him? I hate to encourage more Raider theft, but at least the violence stemming from this internal conflict would have more meaning than just the pew-pew-pew-ha-ha-I win stuff.
[15:54] Persephone Bolero: So I implore you to ask yourselves, what does your character fear? What are his or her faults? Anyone want to volunteer to tell me what your character wants more than anything else in the world and what internal, conflicting fears and desires prevent him or her from just going out and getting it?
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: Chad. You said your character fears being alone.
[15:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Power.  Respect.  Authority.  Thats what he wants more than anything.
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: And why doesn't he have any respect. *snickers* Anyone want to answer that?
[15:55] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs
[15:55] Persephone Bolero: Seriously, though. Why does he want those things?
[15:56] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar): Cause we're all pregnant?
[15:56] starlinya19: raises hand
[15:56] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar): :P
[15:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): hes not Denzel Washington?
[15:56] Dawn (dawningsmist): Looks at Chad
[15:56] Persephone Bolero: So what if someone doesn't respect him, Chad? What does power, respect, and authority serve for him?
[15:57] Rodeo Dastardly: its  just an illusion
[15:57] Persephone Bolero: So are Persephone's issues, Rodeo. Life is an illusion.
[15:57] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): It gives the opportunty to find out why they don't and in some cases, break them until they do.   *grins*
[15:57] Rodeo Dastardly shurgs  true
[15:58] Mad (aliya.sahara): I love this class
[15:59] Hope (elusive.cristole): You can't beat respect into someone, it has to be earned.
[15:59] Persephone Bolero: Yes, well, there are many, many men who seek that very thing. And there's nothing wrong with that. I don't ask to put you on the spot. I ask, because that's how to round out your character. Yes, everyone has needs. Some are pretty obvious. Why do you want food? You die without it. Others are more complex--human needs. What does Persephone want? Adoration? Why? Because she fears she's not worth admiring.
[15:59] starlinya19: what if he feels un-worthy, seeks the respect he doesn't have for himself from others? maybe he just wants to be noticed and taken cognizance of
[15:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) has a ?
[15:59] Persephone Bolero: Tantrica?
[15:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the question is, however, how are we getting all those who do NOT sit here - to have the patience and eagerness to see the backstory? i can pull my hair each time when someone calls me "goddess" and i cringe each time when people do not take any time to immerse themselves in a RP area.. how can we get people to consider that we are here in a RP area with developed characters and a backstory? that is a question i have no answer yet for, sadly (and for the records: i really hate it to be referred to as goddess)
[16:01] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): (oooh you're who they meant!)
[16:01] Rodeo Dastardly: laughs
[16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) rolls eyes
[16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am serious about hating it
[16:01] Persephone Bolero: Well, I would start with these classes. That helps. And I would accept the limitations of this cartoon world we have. Not everyone is going to play at this level. I started this class asking questions about characters' fears. And I was pleasantly surprised how many great answers I got. So, there'll always be that core group that "gets it." And then we can help those that want to get it. For the rest, well, every movie needs extras.
[16:01] Rodeo Dastardly will never call Tantrica  anything but Tantrica
[16:01] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): i was talking about a goddess before and they thought I meant you
[16:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you
[16:03] Persephone Bolero: Anyone else want to answer the question, what your character wants more than anything else in the world and what internal, conflicting fears and desires prevent him or her from just going out and getting it?
[16:03] Persephone Bolero: Hope?
[16:03] Hope (elusive.cristole): Hope was happy on her own, she was safe.  When she joined the bandits she thought she has to fight and win, and get them amo and make food or they won't like her and kick her out.  She doesn't want to care, she pulls back, to get an emotional or physical reaction from her it has to be forced.  She is terrified she is not good enough for anyone, and no one would really want to be with her once they see her flaws.
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: Very good. See, that's from the heart--the fiction heart. Don't be afraid to be vulnerable.
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: Kimera?
[16:04] Persephone Bolero: I should say, don't be OOC afraid to be RP vulnerable.
[16:04] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): 1. To get home 2. to get a curse on him lifted. Getting home is one thing, but the curse is a fertility curse where he must procreate to break it, but he's... asexual
[16:05] Persephone Bolero: Ooooh. Now that's interesting. So, does he have a plan? Is he just going to...go through with the act and try to make it work?
[16:06] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well, I really didn't give him a choice, as as long as he holds off, he gets some pretty dirty needs
[16:07] Persephone Bolero: Syd?
[16:07] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): soooo he has to find a chick to bang and have a kid with for reasons only I know
[16:07] Syd Straaf: I want to cause havoc. I love scheming and stirring things up. It's got to be dramatic, too. I've always told people: "Years from now your children's children's children will still speak of me. They will say that the ghost of Syd still haunts the shopping mall where the jungle used to be." The problem is I don't really want to hurt anybody. I'm supposed to be a big bad Raider but I'm actually kind of a softy.
[16:07] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) laughs, "Beware of the elusive Child Support."
[16:08] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): pffft XD
[16:08] Persephone Bolero: Ah, now that's a good conflict too. And it's definitely something that comes up in lawless lands. Ruthless often rules. What do you do if you're not ruthless?
[16:09] Mad (aliya.sahara): Awe Pop Pop
[16:09] Persephone Bolero: Kimera, one thing to note, too, is trying to get a girl pregnant, whom you're not really attracted to, creates all kinds of layers of conflicts. What if she falls in love with you?
[16:10] Rodeo Dastardly: child support for life ohh  wait not in the jungle
[16:10] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) chuckles and looks down the row of seats at Hope
[16:10] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): well thats the conflict I was going for. But Carolus has another fear that he may have to use desprete measures,
[16:11] Persephone Bolero wiggles.
[16:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): while going back to the lawless land espect
[16:11] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): and if he dooooes, there goes his morals
[16:12] Hope (elusive.cristole) turns red at the look and looks front again concentrating on Perse's words.
[16:12] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): >w> worried?
[16:12] Persephone Bolero: True. And that's the point. He has conflicting desires. And from that stems all kinds of choices and reactions with other players. And from that stems stories, which is great roleplay.
[16:13] Persephone Bolero: So, for your homework, class, please think about why your character wants the things he or she wants. And why he or she wants them. And think about maybe why he or she can't just have them. Think about the things that make your character weak and afraid, because they are what makes your roleplay strong.
[16:14] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): yee
[16:14] Persephone Bolero: Thank you all for being so engaged. You're a great class, and I'm glad I did this. I hope you all got something out of it.
[16:14] Rodeo Dastardly: nooo   it  cane be over yet
[16:14] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): juice box time!
[16:14] Mad (aliya.sahara) claps, "I will do that!"  I really enjoyed this class. Consider myself addvanced but still picked up a great amount of tips herer. Ty Persephone!
[16:14] eowama: I hope you will do another class, Persephone! This has been really helpful!!!
[16:15] Persephone Bolero: Eowama, did you want to say something?
[16:15] Hope (elusive.cristole): It was good Perse, it really made me think more of the character and her reactions.
[16:15] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) claps for Perse, "Thanks Perse!"
[16:15] Rodeo Dastardly: Yes  plese  do  another class
[16:15] eowama: Yes, can I say something about Eowama's conflicts?
[16:15] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): yaaay development!
[16:15] Syd Straaf: thanks, P, good class!
[16:15] Persephone Bolero: I probably will repeat this class on an earlier time for the Europeans, and then I'll think of some more topics to explore.
[16:15] Eliza (ann.skyther): yes please do Perse I really did enjoy the class it was interesting
[16:16] Rodeo Dastardly: Yes this  was wonderful
[16:16] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) cheers "Great job!"
[16:16] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): fun stuff
[16:17] кαтiє нυѕzαя (kate.huszar) sticks out her tongue and winks at Chad "Hey Chadie."
[16:17] Eliza (ann.skyther): Cheers for Perse as well."Wonderful job done Perse."
[16:18] Persephone Bolero: Thank you, all.
[16:18] starlinya19: "Thanks Perse", waves to everyone and leaves
[16:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Pesephone! that was really cool!
[16:18] Kimera Daiyamondo (psycoekitty): i wanna rp now XD More character development!~
[16:19] Syd Straaf: see you later everyone
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Baiiiii
[16:20] Kahlan Khandr: Chadie  hmmm  takes a note
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Would  you like me to log this on a NC Perse?
[16:20] Mad (aliya.sahara): Or did you already?
[16:21] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe) winks at Kate, "Hey girl.  Looking cute today."
[16:21] Dawn (dawningsmist): Hi Tan, Aponi

Sunday, January 6, 2019

OOC Open Meeting - Transcript (6 Jan 2019)

[12:03:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now. i am happy that so many came to join us here today.. and for a group in this size it is esssential that we keep a small protocol
[12:03:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is very simple.. the protocol is also at our back here at the big white wall
[12:03:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it works like this:
[12:03:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. if you want to say something, click the blue cube in front of me, your name will appear on it.. click it only 1x and only briefly
[12:04:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if your name does not appear do not panic, do not click hectically, just wait, and click in a few seconds later again
[12:04:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no need for cardiac arrest if lag prevents things to work, do not panic
[12:04:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. once you clicked the cube 1x write ahead, but DO NOT send it with enter.. just wait till we call your name
[12:05:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 3. once you are called, send the text (enter) and the name will be removed from the cube
[12:05:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that way we make sure everyone can get their message across in atimely manner without chaos
[12:05:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): everything that you say here will be recorded and published on a blog later
[12:06:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): alright, that was the formal part. now the fun begins...
[12:07:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so las time i opened with a short story what happened in my IM.. this time i have no such stories..
[12:07:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i start, without any particular cause maybe with things thrown at me
[12:08:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was asked in my IM about the style how i do things and why i do them...
[12:08:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i do not feel particularly like explaining myself - however, i would like to point out that when you see as bystander, or witness in chat.. that i take action..
[12:09:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that you can rest assured there was a lot of history going on. and sometimes my actions - or reactions - need to be visible - but most of the times, they are not
[12:09:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was also asked when i ban, why i ban
[12:09:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is actually one reason that makes me ban swiftly..
[12:09:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is when i feel like hospitality is abused...
[12:09:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that regularly makes me want people to be gone...
[12:10:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): imagine the amazon as my living room., - and then ask yourself if you want people call you in your living room cunt or behave like complete jerks
[12:10:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): one persone being banned (a chietess of a tribe) wished me death in RL - i think i want to mention this here too.
[12:11:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. enough of the view behind the scenes :)
[12:11:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): on the forefront we have made some adaptions to the weapon system
[12:11:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so we increased the range of melee and the power of melee weapons to 3.25 meters and 3 HP
[12:11:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i plan to make this eek a new set of  scripts for those of you who make wepaons
[12:12:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the new set will offer flexible attachment points... and a connection for your own extensions, like particle effects or sounds
[12:12:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe next weekend
[12:12:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, that was my list, things i had written down
[12:12:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now your turn.. anyone?
[12:13:01] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): I would like to bring up strawberries.. Since they are so hard to come by would it be possible that would could grow them ourself?
[12:13:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Baron is the master of trading things.. /looks at Baron
[12:13:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) pokes Baron in the side
[12:14:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): It is certainly possible to do that - with hours and hours of dedicated scripting :p
[12:14:23] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): laughs
[12:14:23] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): so thats a yes? jk
[12:14:27] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I will add it to my huge to do list :-)
[12:14:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so  yah we will look into it
[12:14:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse?
[12:14:59] Persephone Bolero: One day, after a combat scenario turned into a bunch of drama, I realized how unsatisfying the combat RP in the Amazon often is. It’s almost never sexual. It rarely includes anything other than torture and extortion, which is lazy and repetitive. And it often turns into OOC drama. On the other hand, I realized, my non-combat RP is incredibly sexy. It’s often elaborate and complex, with multiple layers of conflict. And it’s never—not once!—turned into OOC drama. I would highly recommend people try going green. The RP can be so much more fulfilling, and it’s drama-free.
And you can still have physical conflicts with the dice. I have a pick in my profile that details a system I use. It’s a great way to get more out of your RP. Since males typically play video games a lot more than women, females are often at a disadvantage in pew-pew-pew.  With dice, lag never affects outcomes. And since an attacker can easily lose no matter his skill, it places him in the position of not attacking just to stroke
[12:14:59] Persephone Bolero:  his OOC ego with an easy victory. He has a 50/50 chance of being captured, which keeps combat less of a video game. Best of all, if the attacker is just someone whose idea of capture RP is “Haha, you lost. Give me coins,” you can walk away and spend your time with creative, sexy roleplayers. This is no critique of Tantrica’s combat system. It’s the best I’ve seen in SL, and I don’t want to start a bunch of judgements against people who want to stay yellow and enjoy that combat system. I may still go yellow or purple sometimes myself. I just want people to consider the possibilities of going green and/or doing combat RP with dice. It’s got a lot of untapped potential. We’ve been given a lot of tools to make this RP experience fun and individualized. We should use them all.
[12:17:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree, that creative RP and metered combat are often in a conflict. sadly. yes. and that i would like to see more ERP i also outlined a lot. dice can be very ineresting and yes.. i second that, that my most interesting RPs were those where no shots were fired at all
[12:17:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tanzie?
[12:18:09] Ƭαηzίє  (tansyfancy): oing back to the growing of things....would love to be able to grow strawberries..but what about herbs? Maybe only able to be grown  by healers?
[12:18:14] Ƭαηzίє  (tansyfancy): going *
[12:18:53] Kaname (kaname2k18): addition to what Mika asked: would it not be better is friuts like strawberry, cherrie or apple have more then one place to get them?
[12:19:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): herbs - have been an issue lately where i was asked to revisit their availability...
[12:19:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): one healer has put it like "we only need to find one patch and it is like a herb supermarket"...
[12:20:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why we have reduced their availability - and will see first how that goes. i would like to do this together with the healer group - so, if there are wishes for things to change go please to your healer mentor (or one of them) and they will collect, discuss and see what to do about it, with me
[12:20:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): apples and stuff i cna maybe grow at a 2nd spot, yes
[12:21:13] Syd Straaf: In response to Perse, some of the best fighters in the jungle are female. There is absolutely no issue with men having an advantage in combat.

Also, in regards to picking fruit, maybe a solution is not having less rez, but having them rez in different places randomly and at random intervals so nobody can camp for them.
[12:22:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah yes, i have heard now repeatedly about fruit campers.. maybe some "unsit, force stand, force yellow" after a period of time will also reduce the number of campers..
[12:22:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will take notes about the things we discuss and check what to do about
[12:22:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing?
[12:23:09] Khaing Zar (raigann): What a charming guy, Syd is!
I'd like to say two things, first to thank Tantrica for changes that followed the last OOC meeting. The other point is a plea for tolerance & respect.
[12:23:34] Khaing Zar (raigann): This relates to some of what perse was saying
[12:23:39] Khaing Zar (raigann): Tantrica & admin are trying hard to promote good RP. We all spend time & money here because we LOVE Amazon & its opportunities for RP. But many of us are tired of drama over RP or non-RP about fighting & are concerned about native friends leaving Amazon because of that.
[12:23:55] Khaing Zar (raigann): A few fighters have the attitude that Amazon is solely about CARP. Xoco has been told more than once, ‘if you’re yellow you‘re fair game - or go green’ & that Amazon isn’t about natives sitting round campfires singing & dancing. They seem to want us to fight endlessly & do nothing else. I talk for Xoco because that’s my tribe, but lots of other natives agree with us.
[12:24:12] Khaing Zar (raigann): Xoco has great fighters, a good number of them. They love fighting. BUT they love other aspects of RP too. Amazon is about CARP - but also about having fun with quests, hunting, living as indigenous peoples, sex, exploring, swimming, Mama Allpa & tribal events.
[12:24:33] Khaing Zar (raigann): Earlier this week over 48hours, we were attacked 9 times in our camp. Most of those times there was little/no RP before or after & no clear reason for the attack - it’s simply attack, disrupt, down & run tho - a couple of times captives were taken. There’s been no provocation - we’re attacked while we’re dancing, chatting, just sitting around or trying to hold a meeting.
When Xoco take captives some RP, some don’t
[12:24:49] Khaing Zar (raigann): Our Friday dances were meant to be amnesty events with no weapons, they were aimed at bringing Amazon folk together & promoting goodwill - they’ve been threatened with attack & have been attacked twice now - causing great resentment.
[12:25:01] Khaing Zar (raigann): These kinds of fights & their frequency disrupt yellows & greens. I just want to make a plea for some common sense, RP etiquette & respect for others.
[12:25:40] Khaing Zar (raigann): Rules help...but we need goodwill from everyone too!!
[12:26:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tolerance and respect is something that we should remember ourselves daily.. one thing i often see (not only here but also from admins on other sims) is that residents resort fast, amazingly fast to swear words and insults. which is why i put my foot down in amazon chat for example pretty swiftly as soon as i am aware..
[12:26:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and my helpers are explicitly encouraged to do the same.. amazon is not the stress-relive room for juvenile cellar kids..
[12:27:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also noticed, which want to adress, remarks about the sexual orientation of tribes or people...
[12:27:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in the future such remarks will lead to consequences too.
[12:27:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is no space for such here
[12:27:41] Khaing Zar (raigann): thank you
[12:28:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also, if you plan to attack a tribe, it would be good to IM the tribe leader or faction leader beforehand - maybe not on the same day, but to get  a general feel
[12:28:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like "what do you think? shall we have our two grops have some conflict? over what? and how?" one can plan IC stuff OOC
[12:28:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and one should maybe if one learns that ones own style to play causes ruckus
[12:29:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Einstein once said. the greatest idiots are those who do stuff, see it failing, and then repeat it again
[12:29:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, if you learn that the way you RP is unpleasant for others - talk to them, learn from it
[12:29:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[12:29:47] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): Raiders don't like the new healer rule where people go green for 5 minutes after healing. We had something like that before and we usually asked healers to not heal us. I even shot a healer once who was trying to heal me. Because in like 90% of cases we'd rather wait the timer out than be green for 5 min. So we think it might kill combat healing. Is it possible to rethink this?
[12:30:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it sure is possible - the wish came from the healer group - i will put it to discussion there
[12:30:28] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): thanks
[12:30:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :) Zeta ?
[12:31:34] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): I have a couple of questions, one technical.
[12:31:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, you have the floor
[12:31:44] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Raycast - what's the start point for the cast? Is it eye position or avatar centre?
[12:32:12] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): And second, just like to back up what Perse said. One thing that distinguishes good CCarp & RP sims from Combat sioms is the range of combat options - pure P, metered, dice. I'd like (and I know what I'm asking here, I'm a scripter) to see some form of stats-augmented dice as an option for Amazon. Would that be a possibility?
[12:32:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am not going to tell as exactly that was an aim for an attempt to cheat on the raycast - which we defeated
[12:32:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you mean like character sheets? like .. women have a plus here and a weakness there and men vice versa?
[12:33:03] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Ah - now you say ythat, I see it... but that might explain why some apparent clear shots don't connect. Thanks.
[12:33:32] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): No - more like, time you spend practicing improves your stats, not being here they get weaker...
[12:33:55] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Although  character sheet is another way to go (but I wouldn't want it gender or race-based)
[12:34:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the time spending thing could work. yes
[12:34:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will check
[12:34:24] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Thanks! That's my lot.
[12:34:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[12:34:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Chad?
[12:34:32] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): I can't recall if there was a vote or not for the height change (being over 2.00M tall caused HP to reduce faster) but could we hold a vote or revisit this?  I have heard numerous others have the same experience as I have, where much of my time is constantly eating, whereas before I didn't need to eat as often and wait as long to ensure it took, all because I dislike the look of my avatar as a tinier form.
[12:35:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you enable the RLV features you won't need to eat more
[12:35:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is a deal of sorts, immerse more and get rewarded
[12:35:33] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): Isn't that where we cant see the list of people nearby?
[12:36:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): RLV in the current state will remove name tags (but keep names in chat and lists) and minimap, it is a *very* mild rlv
[12:36:31] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): ok thanks
[12:36:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am happy about the progress we made.. if i look at other regions, hulks galore.. where i could give them a blowjob - while standing upright..
[12:37:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i find that freaky, big time!
[12:37:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse ?
[12:37:27] Persephone Bolero: I’ve had much to say about the sexual timidity of men in this jungle. Some of them complain they’re labeled disparagingly as rapists and perverts if they’re sexually aggressive, and it’s a legitimate complaint. I want to encourage all men not to give a shit what other people think about what they do with other consenting adults. I get labeled a slut all the time, which is basically the flip side of the same prudish, judgmental coin. I like skin against skin. I like lips brushing against lips. I like sweat mixing with sweat. And I like bodies in all shapes and sizes and genders. Sorry-not sorry. Yes, respect limits as absolutely sacred. An OOC “no” is never, ever a suggestion. Otherwise, guys, go out and be perverts and rapists. Please! If someone who is not a part of your RP scenario has a problem with it, let it be their problem and ignore it.
[12:37:52] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And take a look at Height Chad to make your avatar look more real when realisticaly scaled - there is, I believe, a TP in the spirit
[12:38:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it puzzles me anyway.. we all dish out serious cash for skin, mesh body, physics, attachments that enhance our body...
[12:38:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then are shy of using our body?
[12:39:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and yes what i said earlier.. remarks about the sexual orientation of people have no place here..
[12:39:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and neither have remarks about the sexual lifestyle.. i got (seriously!) a report about someone camming into other peoples huts while they were shagging...
[12:40:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that was just before i logged in and he person who did that (she knows who she is) can already anticipate disciplinary actions for that level of creepyness
[12:40:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): unbelievable...
[12:40:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoey ?
[12:40:45] Zoey (shardsofice): I would like to bring up a case for easier transport of captives since birds are no longer being used for this. It gets very difficult to rp with people when you have to drag multiple or even one person through different sims. This is even worse when They have shorter time limits on rp, say only 30 min carp times. I spend a majority of that time walking someone and have no time to form a good rp because you cannot talk and walk at the same time. However, with the rescuing allowed again you cant just rp with someone in close range of where you had downed them. I love CARP rp and I ty to make it as entertaining as possible for anyone I take as a captive, try to build stories etc. But its very difficult to do when you have to drag someone 15 minutes before you can talk. by that time, everyone is in a bad mood.

Also, perse. I'd just like to second Syd when he said a lot of fighters here are female. And just being realistic but sometimes you have to be a bit more aggressive to be the sexual pred when you're the
[12:40:45] Zoey (shardsofice):  girl going for male. You say threats etc. don't work or aren't creative. To be realistic, sometimes you have to use something. And I'm pretty creative both scenarios.
[12:42:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): leashing on simborders is sadly an SL limitation. transorting people on eagles has led to all kinds of unrealistic situations - however. we do offer on each tunnel locatoin a vehicle that transports up to seven people
[12:42:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and seven is quite a number
[12:42:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[12:43:04] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): I would like to request that helicopters be unbanned. Helicopters were never involved in any of the cheats with the extra fast birds, etc. They are not even good combat vehicles since they take time to start. Helicopters are a sightseeing vehicle. One of my favorite things to do in the jungle was to fly helicopters. I feel like I am Rambo in Vietnam. Have you seen the jungle on Ultra Graphics flying overhead in a heli in midnight mode with a spotlight? It is a sight like no other. Please unban helicopters.
[12:43:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "i will look into it
[12:43:44] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): thanks
[12:43:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Black Widow
[12:43:54] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): This question is from Kylie Via Skype, she's not able to make it to the meeting due to her working... schedule ((A concern I have is when the arrest you for whatever reason and you are a healer but got arrested for something totally different, why must you also lose your healer status ))
[12:45:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because the healer group takes pride in the tag and wants only the best in them. if that shall be changed then the healer mentors are to be addressed for that. i am quite happy how well that group in the amazon is organized and if i remember 2017, to compare, we have a lot better healer quality now, hence i would like to not decide over their head.. take it to them please and when they want a change i will look into it
[12:45:53] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): thank you
[12:45:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[12:46:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[12:46:13] Syd Straaf: To add to the issue of movement and transporting caps... The tunnel is great except it's really difficult to tell which exit is which. You have to fully turn and then wait for the name to rez. This seems minor but it's really kind of frustrating and I hear a lot of people complain about it. There's got to be some easier way to mark them.
[12:46:22] Syd Straaf: Also, transporting caps across sim lines... I know that's SL's fault, but like Zoey said, it can be really difficult to find someone's bind and people often have to resort to derendering plants. One solution is for the caps to run across the line themselves if they're not down.. cooperate with your captor. Another idea is maybe have some other way to yank a cap.. something on the captor's end of the leash. Helicopters are also useful for this when it's not so laggy that you're sure to fly into a mountain.
[12:47:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the derender of bushes and stuff got worse even by that latest change on the behaviour of clicking on invisible, transparent stuff, as you all prolly learned when trying to pick fruits. one can only hope that that gets reverted
[12:47:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta ?
[12:48:26] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Just to Syd and Zoey's point: Yes, 'a lot' of women are good fighters - most of them are Xoco, of course. But proportionalely far fewer women are good fighters compared with the men. I'm a gamer, but I don't play the FPS games my male friends play that might possibly give me an advantage here.
[12:48:37] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): And, separately, I'd like to see those who tp out and run back when downed, be appropriately punished - maybe by being made longer-term captives of those who downed them?
[12:49:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): to my knowledge, if you teleport out of amazon and then return, your timer starts new. - is that not so?
[12:50:07] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): I've never done it, I'm afraid i wouldn't know. If I'm downed I stay down.
[12:50:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, ok, that timer restarting is at least what i intended to script - sometimes though - what i meant to script and what i have scripted .. varies :D
[12:50:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please check and inform me when you find bugs, preferably via help
[12:51:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Perse
[12:51:25] Persephone Bolero: Since a few people have mentioned it, I should respond. I feel my greater point is drown in a debate over gender disparities in video gaming. That was a very small detail in a much larger point about under-utilized tools in the RP. If I’d have known this comment about genders was going to be so distracting, I would have left it out. I would ask Syd, Zoey, and anyone else who disagrees with me about that point to please go back and read that whole comment. Just ignore the part about gender disparities. Even if you’re right and I’m wrong about that point, it doesn’t diminish the value of the greater point I was making, which was not really related. Thank you.
[12:52:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "For what its worth - i find our RPs always enjoyable
[12:52:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namida ?
[12:52:19] Namida Giulia: is it possible to make a sort of stackable debuffs, for example: the  1st time that you go down, your max HP will be 18 for 4 hours, if you go down a 2nd time max 16 HP for 8 hours, a 3rd time max 14 HP for 16 hours and so on? Also: good idea Harold, i liked to fly the helicopter quite a lot, and yes i think it has a 10 or 20 seconds start time, it's also somehow realisticish and quite good if you fly it in 1st person :3
[12:54:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hours of restriction i see often with mixed feelings as a lot of people visit here after RL work (and, there is the rumour that some RL jobs still require attention, so they can't play here when working) -so if those get to play only 2h a day between work, family and sleep then any longer restriction is a huge blow to their sparetime.. but i get the point and will think of something
[12:54:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dojiba ?
[12:54:54] Dojiba Elswit (dojiba.sabra): I'd like to say something about the helicopters.  If they are enclosed, they can be used as a shield of sorts when flying, resulting in it taking more hits to get downed. Also, crashed and burning helicopters cause lag, especially when the flames regenerate.
[12:56:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i thought, or.. would like to think.. that my script unsits seated people on vehicles with 33% chance as soon as the vehicle gets hit.. i will test that with a helicopter
[12:56:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dee ?
[12:56:33] Dee (dg.button): With the more frequent changes in rules or expected best RP practices that come from these meetings,
can you try to keep a page on the Blog updated with the changes.
[12:56:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes! absolutely ! :D
[12:56:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): IF!
[12:57:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if we find someone willing to maintain the blog - volunteers please use the help button! if we have many volunteers we shall make it a lottery who gets it :)
[12:57:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sadly - we try since years to find volunteers for that
[12:58:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[12:59:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): As an aside the reference pages on the Blog are updated with major changes
[12:59:06] Syd Straaf: I reread Perse's comments and here are a couple of thoughts...
[12:59:13] Syd Straaf: I might also point out that when it comes to straight old torture of caps, the women have the men beat (no pun intended). There are a handful of people in the jungle that I would be absolutely terrified (IC) to be capped by, and they are all women.

As far as using dice, I feel that pulls me out of character and ruins my immersion, so I'd rather not use them.

And also, I have taken one of Maccuss' rp classes and in it he suggested that most of the time when you cap someone you should do some short rp when you are rather than take the cap back to your camp. Not all rp has to last a long time and rolling someone for coins seems to be a perfectly logical and fun way to get some quick action in.
[13:00:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have on our list by the way to move coins from being physical - into the spirit as value to be stored. but! that willl not happen soon. it is just on our list for this year
[13:01:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kitteh ?
[13:01:14] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): regarding helicopters...while I am sure most do not use them to cheat, in the past they have been useds as a weapon of sorts in transporting crocs from the water to camps.   or cages being hung from them and used to drown people....if brought back what would stop that from happening again?
[13:01:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) laughs "that .. such things! that dear people is why we made the flight restrictions! everything nice gets abused!
[13:02:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoe?
[13:02:41] Zoey (shardsofice): In response to Namida, that sounds like an interesting and cool wait to have wait times, but it could also get very discouraging for people who either by way of lag or bad days really aren't the best fighters. they'd get downed constantly and always end up with lower hp's which leads to more time being spent downed. could end up being a huge frustration. And when you are down, sometimes during group fights you get downed by both sides, stray shots etc. You'd end up with like 5 hp max for days which really isn't much fun either.

As for perse's comments, Using dice for me takes away the whole immersion feeling of the game. And While sexual rp is quite entertaining, if that's all there ever is it gets to be very monotonous. Other forms of play can be invoked that are not sexually based.
[13:03:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): variety is the spice that is sure
[13:03:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Alexandra ?
[13:03:34] Alexandra (alexandralara): I would like to add my support to the request that helicopters be unbanned. To address Kitteh's issues - people drag crocs over with birds now.  And I thought there was a rule now against flying unwilling passengers? That should address the drowning issue.  Otherwise, the same could be done on a bird.
[13:04:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe i should just rescript crocs
[13:04:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm
[13:04:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:04:22] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Responding to Namida's suggestion. I know when I get capped and the fight is still going I'm going to be downed 2-3 more times. I think a system that punishes you each time you are downed wouldn't be a good idea like that. And Doji the helicopter thing as a shield. As it stands now, our very own Amazon Eagle bird cannot be shot except at a specific spot. Any other spot you waste just as much ammo. And Zoey just took the first part of my comment >:(
[13:04:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[13:05:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): eowama ?
[13:05:41] eowama: If I may make a friendly suggestion for my fellow RPers, I've seen a lot of emoting gestures like "Takes their weapons and ties them up", which is a piss-poor replacement for RP, besides being godmoding. They say it takes too long to RP it correctly in a battle, but it takes more time in RL to do it than in RP to say it, so that argument doesn't stand. If it takes too long, then hey, your captive will get away! So what? More RP around that! So in summary, this is a plea for better CARP RP, spending more time on it and making it more fun and interesting for everyone. Thank you.
[13:06:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[13:06:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. prefab emotes are so very uninspiring
[13:06:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i had once a guy even who had prefabs for ERP...
[13:06:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): his lines gave it away when he used them on me, like "grabs your big tits and squeezes them....
[13:07:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, please.. no prefab emotes
[13:07:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they are just boring
[13:07:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): zeta?
[13:07:50] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Helicopters... in a real jungle, they're practically useless - can't land anywhere, can't fly low,can't see through the canopy. (We're not talking Army Air Corps Apaches here.) Could they be made no-combat with a rule about only rezzing &  landing at designated helipads (and no carrying crocs)?
[13:08:23] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Also, I think we're starting to go round in circles, can I propose closing the list and finishing up?
[13:08:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think the helicopter issue is maybe something i need to evaluate with some of the helicopter users
[13:08:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so i get more details
[13:08:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): outside this meeting
[13:08:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mika ?
[13:09:20] мιкαcнu™ (mikaela.pelazzi): So with no prefabs and we quickly write out the same thing (( similar wording. )) . it has to be accepted?   also does this apply to combat healing?  We all have combat heals made up.
[13:09:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am not going to ban prefabs (simply for the reason that i can't monitor that)
[13:09:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however
[13:10:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): when i am downed, as i am now, and  i run around a lot  like i am now....
[13:10:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i get
[13:10:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "takes all your weapons (i only have one) and all your com devices (i don't carry any)"
[13:10:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then that sets already a mood where i think "groan! amateur!"
[13:11:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, if you use prefabs, make them at least fitting.. plus...
[13:11:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): on an additional note...
[13:11:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i am downed and then get a wall of text in a boilerplate prefab that is supposed to cover all eventualities.. in an amount of text that you can have impossibly typed in the 10 seconds after capture where you present them to me...
[13:12:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it makes me place you automatically in the "must win by all means" corner.. as reflex
[13:12:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is nothing i enjoy, that is maybe just me.. dunno - but i dislike it big time
[13:12:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[13:12:42] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): There are helipads in many camps Zeta. Raiders, mercs, bandits, etc. In the real jungle people fly helis too. they are the most versatile vehicle for such terrain.
[13:12:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:13:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Chad?
[13:13:20] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): I just wanted ti add my support for the helicopters being unbanned.  I used a 2 seater, small copter that helped get a captive over sim lines very easily and made for some good views being up so high under the propellers.  It was only ever used to transportation when I needed to bring another since we can't do damage in a seated pose anyway.
[13:13:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[13:13:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname ?
[13:13:55] Kaname (kaname2k18): I wanted to know if you can something to about the Jaguars at Cat adore. i once shot all my ammo on them and didnt kill it anyway. if youre alone. its easyer to lure im to a place to "park him" than to shot tis animal down.
at short: they more heavy to kill than some group of attackers at our camp. :)
[13:14:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will check them :)
[13:14:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zoey?
[13:14:50] Zoey (shardsofice): just putting in a plea here for combat rp. If I spend time trying to rp tying someone up properly and looking them over and you say that if I can't do it in time you get away. which is more realistic....I just shot you. (many many times I might add...realistically you'd be dead. very dead.) so your running away is highly unlikely. I know what you are trying to say, but its hard to have it be more realistic both sides with it still being a game where time counts :) As a side note, I try not to use responses that are preplanned
[13:16:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah.. i have to agree - if your timer runs up but you see your captor is about to send you an emote.. running away is maybe not the best way to conduct the RP
[13:16:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): always keep two things in mind:
[13:16:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. if your captor is serious about their RP (and not a pew pewer) then being the captor in the scene is sometimes a lot of work and pressure - even if enjoyable
[13:16:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honor it
[13:17:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and 2. the metered combat is only a HELPER to get RP started. it is not the meaning of RP. it is just a reason to have RP
[13:17:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy
[13:17:43] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): The reason we are forced to saying weapons, and coms is because so much of the past experiences have to be covered.. People pulling hidden weapons, people having bluetooth earbuds in their ear. They have a lockpick device they cut themselves open with and put it inside of them so if they get caught they cut themselves open and pull it out. All of those have been real things that have been to dealt with, so throwing a blanket statement of "Removes all weapons and com devices", covers things easily when you are trying to leash someone while still in combat.
[13:18:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honestly?
[13:18:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i capture someone who then suddenly has such in their RP...
[13:18:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i drop the leash and walk off
[13:18:49] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Thats the only way to get them to stop fighting if it's a group fight
[13:18:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't even waste the time to say bye
[13:19:05] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): Otherwise they stand up and miraculously get weapons again
[13:19:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then report it
[13:19:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no time for such time wasters, if they can't RP honourably they can go to "gor Evolved" or other disney sims
[13:20:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want this also to be known to all who silently read this here - or later on the blog:
[13:20:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you must magic stuff out of your arse because you think it is cool to have a "lockpick device inside you" or "bluetooth stuff in your ear" or such - then the Amazon River is not the roleply region for you and you are NOT welcome here
[13:21:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd ?
[13:21:18] Syd Straaf: Is it possible that whenever we have a jungle-wide vote on something that the issue being addressed be given in much more detail, perhaps on a notecard, along with anything from the issue that might end up being different if the vote is close. I know that's extra work for you, Tan, but very often people aren't sure about what they're voting for, especially if they weren't there for the original discussion in chat. And sometimes what they voted for gets changed after the fact. For instance, I voted against flying on the assumption that all birds/helis would be banned if that position won, but it ended up being just some birds. If I had known that was a possibility I'd have voted differently.
13:22:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is called compromise Syd :)
[13:22:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the voting pro/contra birds was close.. either way - so i had to find something to comfort also the big group of "keep it"
[13:22:37] Syd Straaf: I'm not complaining about that particular result, just the part where I didn't know there was that possibility
[13:22:59] Syd Straaf: I'm just asking that somehow it's all presented up front in a clear and detailed way
[13:23:02] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Try living in the UK with a Brexit referendum :p
[13:23:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): votings are always only a help for us to get the feel - what do you as group want actually - and then i try to model the result so that i cover also those who "Lost" the vote
[13:23:50] Syd Straaf: ok, then maybe that should be clearer
[13:23:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can't make notecards or stuff
[13:26:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, i can't make notecards, because yes it is more time. we offer the blog.. and these meetings, and people who can't be arsed to read the blog i won't pamper with a notecard
[13:26:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Henry ?
[13:26:21] Syd Straaf: a lot of people think the vote is going to decide the policy.. just a simple statement up front that it's just to give you an idea what we want and not really going to be a decider would go a long way
[13:26:27] Henry Vyceratops: okay, I have one thing I saw lately and I hope was just that one guy at landing I never saw again but seeing picks stating "will not play with people not speaking fluent English or using a translator" makes my inner Hulk mad. those people make a huge effort to play here and should also be respected more

plus ...some peoiple have a list of limits that covers nearly anything but looking into their direction. I really try to always rp something better than just bind, ask money, set free. but some people leave you just no choice . is it possible to make something like agreeing to a TOS of Amazon? like, this is a ADULT sim and CARP, please if you feel is too much to be asked to strip in a rp you might not be in the right place.
[13:26:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, thank you Syd :)
[13:27:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes Henry we regularly demote people for ridicolous limits
[13:27:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): esp. when yellow
[13:27:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Hexy ?
[13:27:47] нεҲץ (ihex): I'd like to know if there's a way besides Fight Club to encourage more use of melee. Because at the moment, it seems like most people think melee is useless and never consider using it. I'm wondering if there's a quest or any type of incentive or reward that can be had for using melee more.
[13:28:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh i hope that is going to change with the latest adaptions, of melee causing more damage than ranged weapons
[13:28:36] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): *gasps*
[13:28:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which is in place since 2-3 days
[13:29:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i plan on a new game also  - more this week - maybe that will also encourage
[13:29:16] нεҲץ (ihex): Ooh can't wait then. Thank you!
[13:29:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Lydia
[13:29:27] Miss Lydia Gwilt (lydiagwilt): are kiwis the new strawberries? they seem to be getting rarer recently...
[13:29:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:29:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well spotted! they were reduced a bit, yes, but not as sparse as strawberries!
[13:29:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:30:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kitteh ?
[13:30:09] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): I have two things.   1.  if there is a vote being brought up and anyone has a question about it you can always ask for an explanation, whether going through the help button or the mouthpiece or simply finding a leader.
[13:30:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): true
[13:30:57] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): my second thing is, don't assume just because you have never rpd with someone that they can't do it
[13:31:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, never assume :)
[13:31:35] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): I've seen quite a few people get pushed off to the side and not bothered with because people 'Think' they dont rp
[13:31:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, i also want to send this out to those who are not yet promoted by seekers.. a thing i observed really a lot...
[13:32:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people walk through the section of the cave where we explain basic roleplay in general, also with the aspect of empty or meaningless profiles
[13:32:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they walk through it, read it...
[13:32:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): leave it..
[13:32:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and profile stays in the same bad shape and doe snot change over the course of the days either
[13:33:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people: if your profile is boring, i won't bother - and so won't any sane RPer or seeker
[13:33:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make yourself interesting there, as a start or you get skipped
[13:33:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Harold?
[13:33:38] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): There is this woman who comes to the landing regularly in a pink frilly dress. She rotates for like 3 seconds and then tps out. I think its a bot. I forgot her name, but I can report the next time I see her. Is it one of your bots or is something strange going on?
[13:34:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they are from one of those statistic collectors.. the most well known being this one: http://www.gridsurvey.com/
[13:34:42] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): ah ok
[13:34:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:34:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namida ?
[13:34:48] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): ty
[13:34:54] Namida Giulia: since, i suppose, in RL it's quite difficult to run and shoot while you have leashed a captive, is it possible to do that while you are leashing a captive you can't shoot? Because sometimes the captives are also used also as shield, and see 1 player dragging 1 captive, running fast/jumping and shooting is a little bit unrealistic ~
[13:35:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm i will check.. i don't know an easy solution off hand but i will check
[13:35:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname ß
[13:35:46] Kaname (kaname2k18): Everytime i hear about a voting starts i hearsomeone calling get your alts out. Is there a check in it that checks if he has the right to vote?
Like checking that hes in amzon group or an local. or can just anyone who gets at landing can vote? even some onetime explorer.
[13:36:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, everyone can vote. yes. i wished so much we had redzone still (was once a tool that reliably discovered alts)
[13:36:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, no technical way to prevent that
[13:36:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jonas ?
[13:36:49] Jonas Khan (jonaskhan): Why not some tribes/factions set aside a melee day ONLY! So if attacked, attackers MUST melee or set a random day, Amazon wide, as melee only.
[13:37:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can see that as  a contest option, yes
[13:37:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will check
[13:37:20] Jonas Khan (jonaskhan): thanks
[13:37:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[13:37:32]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Seekers were mentioned a while ago. As a mentor, I'd like to throw one thing out there. Seekers are here to judge your roleplay and check your profile as Tantrica just said. Everyday, I see a Seeker approached with something like "Can you promote me...", "Can you bless me..." The key word, as the Wisdom Cave says is "ROLEPLAY". So, ROLEPLAY with them. Make it fun, make it different, propose marriage, be aggressive, hell, capture them (if yellow) and drag them home. Do what you want, but make it ROLEPLAY and make it original and FUN! If you know someone looking for a Seeker, you can't tell them names, but please give them that piece of information!
[13:38:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right !
[13:38:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aaaaand
[13:38:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *drumrolls*
[13:38:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the list is empty!
[13:38:43]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): RIGHT!
[13:38:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that means, we have already settled all issues .. or covered all needs...
[13:39:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): (hopefully :) )
[13:39:03] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): 1 hour and 38 minutes!!!
[13:39:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, that was quick!
[13:39:12] Zeta (zeta.blackheart) thinks of 30 more questions...
[13:39:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins
[13:39:35] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Lat meeting I filled 2 notecards - this one is a single NC - well done everyone!
[13:39:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kaname?
[13:39:59] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): .
[13:40:05] Kaname (kaname2k18): Additon to Rp drama. I see more that ppl are fighting and the ooc drama starts. cos of example cos its ppl that as sample rape, strip, insult or others things.
But when they lose the OOC drama begins cos that what they usualy do is that what they self do to others regulary. If you talk to them then the ooc drama starts to get realy hot.
Some of them got domoted or kicked out. but 1-2 Days later they back as nothing happens. So what to do? Ignore them?
[13:40:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well if i ban someone they are regularly not back :)
[13:40:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if they are demoted they can be promoted again of course but if there is a pattern they get kicked
[13:40:59] Kaname (kaname2k18): after a wile they back some
[13:41:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): xceptions confirm the rule
[13:41:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus?
[13:41:55]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): EVERYONE needs to be more accepting. Very few times in a complaint is one side totally right and the other wrong. TRY TRY TRY to work things out calmly, DO NOT kill the RP for silly OOC issues
[13:42:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right!
[13:42:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that concludes our session for today
[13:42:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, i thank you all for your attention and time, i am happy that we have such a vivid communiy and i enjoy this , woring for and wit you, also big thank you to my staff, seeker,s guards, mentors and to my partner !
[13:42:53]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Tan and BAron, thank you for giving us this chance to talk
[13:43:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and priestesses !
[13:43:10]  ζ Maccus 乙єησгια ξ (marcus.zenoria): Ah don't worry about them!
[13:43:12] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Thnks you all - and thank you Tantrica for fielding all the questions
[13:43:16] Miss Lydia Gwilt (lydiagwilt): thank you!
[13:43:19] Ⓚitteh Morello (1blissfulpoison): thank you for conducting this meeting Tan and Baron
[13:43:28] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): Thank you
[13:43:34] Alexandra (alexandralara): Thank you
~~ meeting adjourned ~~

Wednesday, December 5, 2018

Roleplay helper - touch/die with some target

This is a short post to show how you can prepare surprises for your frenemies in roleplay. Those of you who have permanent rezz rights (supporters) can set up something in the camp of the frenemy that dies on touch. It is important to obey this rule! do not simply rezz something at someplace. Make always sure it can be easily removed (die) with one mouse-click  (touch).

However, sometimes you want a particular person only to be able to remove it. It would be too bad if your setup would be ruined just because a random John Doe clicks on it - and deletes it by that.

So here is the way how you can do that:

click to enlarge
  1. Rezz your object
  2. change to its content tab
  3. Select "New Script"
  4. then copy/paste this into the script editor:
//######### The script starts here, do not copy the rest above into it.
default
{
    touch_start(integer total_number)
    {
        //the following line will always be executed when the object is touched
        llSay(0,"the stain smells like the blood is starting to rot fast in the jungle-condition");
       
        //these lines will only be executed when the object is touched by the person with that UUID - replace the key/UUID here of course with a fitting UUID which you get from the profile of the targeted person
        if (llDetectedKey(0)=="b76126c8-7fd4-4c85-a164-b19e85d8528b")
        {
            llSleep(5);
            llSay(0,"with a lot of scrubbing the stain eventually dissolves");
            llSleep(10);
            llDie();
        }
    }
}




//######### The script ends here, do not copy the rest below into it.

I highly recommend that you test this first before you try it. Especially if you are new to scripting.

Saturday, November 24, 2018

OOC Open Discussion - Verbatim Transcript


This thee hour meeting covers a lot of ground, but I encourage you to spend some time to read the comments and questions, and Tantrica's observations and replies.


[12:00:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hello everyone and thank you for coming...
[12:00:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): this meeting, the purpose is that you can talk to all your other peers on the same level...
[12:00:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): while we  are here stop NOW please all "Hello" and "Hai" and "weldcome " and whatever...
[12:00:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is just distracting..
[12:01:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i  will let run a zero tolerance to such haha lool, wb, welcom,e and such
[12:01:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): only this way we can run such a meeting without sinking into chaos...
[12:02:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): another VERY important point:
[12:02:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you see the cube in front of me.. when you want to say something.. CLICK first the cube.. then WAIT until we tell you that you can speak
[12:02:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): DO NOT simply chat along.. that will lead to nothing but chaos
[12:02:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the rules are behind me on the wall..
[12:03:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): please read them...
[12:03:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): for the start i want to introduce something i just learned a couple of days ago, two players IMed me...
[12:03:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will call them Jane Doe and John Doe, to protect the innocent...
[12:03:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i swear, it is not made up...
[12:04:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jane IMs me: "Tantrica, John pissed in my mouth and ran away - is that roleplay?
[12:04:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i IM John "You did what?"
[12:04:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): John replies "Jane smeared shit in my face a day before..."
[12:04:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i IM Jane "you did what?"
[12:05:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Jane replies "John started it..."
[12:05:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you see my dilemma? that is such a kindergarten level that i simply stopped investigating, went to  a dance club and danced...
[12:05:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not my cup of tea
[12:05:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would rather hope that you all are more adult than that.. and  i think often it is just.. uhm.. misunderstandings?
[12:06:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and moments of heated adrenaline kicks in metered combat?
[12:06:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am sure, if everyone here keeps in mind that the other person is an adult who wants to have fun here too and that we all have respect towards each other that we will have a jolly time
[12:06:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now.. we can start
[12:07:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and cocoa has the floor
[12:07:19] CocoaBerri: Thank you
[12:09:10] CocoaBerri: I would like to address some recent events that are just causing all kinds of problems..I will start with this..why is it that some people think it is their job to snoop around camps looking for things to report
[12:09:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[12:09:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): veryone can answer, click the cube if you wish to do so
[12:10:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however.. basically, staff, that means all in leader chat.. depend of course on open eyes and ears.. Baron and i can't run through all 11 regions every day and find wrong setups
[12:10:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, i, for once, am thankful for any report
[12:11:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we do not clean up *every* reported item
[12:13:12] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): when i wanted to see the herbs you had you accused  me of the same
[12:13:51] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I was actually told to check on Tribs and others herbs
[12:14:15] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I asked you first
[12:14:33] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i trued to rp it with you
[12:14:39] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i was met with insults and rudeness so i went and looked
[12:15:23] CocoaBerri: "Amd did I not tell you ooc to go right ahead? everytrthing else was rp
[12:15:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Finish Syrissa?
[12:15:51] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): i was not snooping
[12:15:52] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): yes
[12:16:19] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): On the subject of reports. Everyone here is measured by the same yardstick. Whether we are supporter or not a supporter, the rules remain the same. If someone sees something in my camp I am open to be disciplined/reminded, like anyone else. So, I see no reason to have isses with people making reports.
[12:17:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. and yes i have also cut down camps of supporters and even mentors. speaking of it: some individuals tried to construct a story like "tantrica supports X and Y more than the others" - this is insulting and will be met with a ban
[12:17:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i hope that was clear
[12:17:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Now, Preostan please
[12:17:55] Preostan Scribe: That opens a topic, besides the snooping, what means this 'reporting', what might and might not be worth reporting?
[12:18:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you can and should report sculpts, ugly buildings, non pickable doors...
[12:18:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dickhead behaviour...
[12:18:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): such things :)
[12:18:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara ?
[12:18:56] Liu  Jiao (zer0dawn): what about doors that dont open at all? i removed the scripts from one of mine cause i dont use it
[12:19:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zero, use the cube if you want to talk. this question of yours will be ignored
[12:19:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara, your turn.
[12:19:42] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): i sending my question
[12:19:47] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): i crashed
[12:20:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): are you sending it now?
[12:20:41] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I like to suggest if peoples are in a Rp they should stay out amazon chat.  Not sit their arguing with others when frankly they should be Rping as this is a rp sim. Last three rps i been in peoples found it more fun to fight aruge in the amazon chat then rp just to cause more ooc Bs.
[12:21:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have to say, yes, the "tease and taunt" in amazon chat is tiring. it is not funny. it is just boring
[12:21:27] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): its getting dumbs
[12:21:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you want to roleplay there is only one way to do it: roleplay
[12:21:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sitting in amazon chat "i will come for the ginger booty" makes me groan and close the chat
[12:21:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dull
[12:22:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i suspect many others feel the same way, like Zahara just outlined
[12:22:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. if you wanna play, go, find your victim,s and play
[12:22:31] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Seconded - and a further point
[12:22:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have 11 regions, not only the landing to sit in all day and chit chat
[12:22:55] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): We have many members of Amazon Chat who don't often play here - that constant stream of bickering may well put them of
[12:23:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right. and i introduced in other large groups a role model where people need permisson to chat. if the bickering won't stop, then i will do the same here..
[12:23:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[12:24:00] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): (I would like to add to the comment cocoa made.. )  Shooting at someones  window to see that one can shoot out and one cannot shoot in is not snooping around.   It is simple.. I downed one of your persons.. I noticed the issue.. I double checked the issue before hand.  There is a big difference from how you are making it sound.
[12:24:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Mika,, i want also to add to the incident from yesterday.. the house had/has a technical glitch, crappy mesh.. it was not intentionally build so
[12:25:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, cocoa is not purposely cheating, however, it needs to be fixed
[12:25:07] CocoaBerri: Thank you for that Tantricia..
[12:25:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): B'Neh?
[12:25:26] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir): I think the difference they are talking about is, an OOC report of a possible violation, versus an RP complaint about snooping around a camp. One is for the good of the sim, the other is only for the basis of role play. One CAN complain about a person in the area, if for rp, no Mouthpiece. Otherwise, it's something we should all be doing to help the sim. Sorry this was from that discussion.
[12:25:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. good point
[12:26:08] CocoaBerri: I agree about thnings being in violation should be reported
[12:26:11] CocoaBerri: however
[12:26:52] CocoaBerri: I have been getting snooped on and reported to the point of harassment for a lonng time..and it feels like maliciousness over some rp matter
[12:27:04] CocoaBerri: that is what i'm having a problem with
[12:27:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can not confirm that we receive more reports about you/your camp than other camps
[12:27:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if that is any consolation
[12:28:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa.. it is true that you often have issues with non pickable doors. and each time you do it does not go unnoticed. so, how about you skip using those doors and use proper doors?
[12:28:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i mean.. loook....
[12:28:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i wake up and see "oh, cocoa, door, again...
[12:29:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also have ways to enjoy my coffee in more peace :)
[12:29:18] CocoaBerri: "the doors have to be rest because the are picked a lot
[12:29:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you use doors that ask for passwords that no one has
[12:29:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i just returned three
[12:29:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yesterday
[12:29:55] CocoaBerri: I will try to do better to reset them properly..the doors are definitely pickable and I have set themm to 3 mins..just like the kool doors]
[12:30:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, i look forward to that :)
[12:30:37] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): We have a problem with too many people coming to rescue in wave after wave which makes it very hard to rp. I try to start some rp but then I have to stop cause I am interrupted over and over.
After the fight is over we have way too many people to effectly rp with. Everyone is talking over each other and I usually can't understand anything.
I want to ask everyone how we might solve this issue.
[12:31:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am very tempted to make a third rule, in addition to #2 - as it is definitely *the* source of ooc drama: rescues are forbidden
[12:31:22] Kaela (kailyr): raises hand (as im blind, on txt)
[12:31:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): all these "com devices" and "messenger birds" and "telepathic farts" are annoying, super big time
[12:32:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we are discussing that since the amazon exists
[12:32:30] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): I second a thrird ruule
[12:32:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will have a vote onm that at the landing later today
[12:33:22] Khaing (raigann): This relates to the issue Zahara raised & Tantrica & Baron commented on
[12:33:42] Khaing (raigann): As we’re here for fun, it’s common sense to sort out differences by talking reasonably OOC, negotiating, allowing for mistakes & minimising admin complaints. This works with friendly & reasonable folk, but a few sometimes get their kicks out of arguing, winding up & dominating others. They’re difficult to play with or talk to without aggro. They don’t seem to want to be reasonable & don’t want solutions because their goal is making others angry & frustrated. This is TROLLING & they’re good at it. Others know it happens & the only way to RP in Amazon with trolling around is to ignore the trolls.
[12:34:01] Khaing (raigann): 1.    I’d genuinely like to see what others want - an Amazon where folk respect each other & behave like adults; no trolling, griefing, cheating
[12:34:19] Khaing (raigann): 2. What I’d ask Gods/admin to do to help: 1 clarify purpose of AR chat group & whether it’s IC or OOC & consider whether it should be moderated; 2 clarify the meaning of Tantrica’s no comms note - as natives and some fighters are interpreting it differently. My understanding is - to improve RP by stopping the use of comms or IMs to call for help; 3 punish verbal & sexist OOC abuse.
[12:36:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, Khaing, thank you :) i will give amazon chat some thoughts, because those who think that roleplay is "i will come after the ginger booty" while in fact holding a beauty contest "look at my fab avataaah" in the landing is not what i made amazon for
[12:36:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and generally tease and taunt in the chat can be misunderstood, yah
[12:36:54] Khaing (raigann): I agree totally with what Zahara said about AR chat
[12:36:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rodeo ?
[12:37:50] Rodeo Dastardly: I was at the Strawberry's today, and I am green, Chad come up to me and pushed me off the cliff, cause I assume I was too close to where the Berrys would rezz. this is bullying behaviour Not to mention Huffy has a sign right in front of the berrys, before the berrys got sick. Huffy and his tag along girl, would come when I got there and when the berrys rezzed she would run in and click on as many as she could.. I some times got other times I would see this also as bullying behavior
[12:38:22] Rodeo Dastardly: if  I may add no berrys had  rezzed
[12:38:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sadly chad is not here at the moment - so i can't hear what he has to say to that.. if he pushes you off without roleplay afterwards it warrants demotion..
[12:39:27] Rodeo Dastardly: ok  thank you if  it happens again I will report
[12:39:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the issue about the strawberries in general though is meant to spark up roleplay.. i am going to throtle food some more.. because people just go, harvest, eat, and no roleplay sparks up about it
[12:39:39] mustang (gijack4): Huffy does the  same
[12:39:40] Rodeo Dastardly: which i try not to do
[12:40:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, mustang, and what do you do then? do you roleplay? or do you run away?
[12:40:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are in a roleplay region
[12:40:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is always key
[12:40:18] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((Mustang - no side comments. You want to speak? Click the cube. Else remain silent))
[12:40:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no one starves if you don't get strawberries... but you can try to *roleplay* about it
[12:40:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and what baron says, follow the rules, and line up
[12:41:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Persephone ?
[12:41:16] Persephone Bolero: You all take cartoon sex way too seriously. On one hand, there are jealous girlfriends who freak out if someone touches their boyfriend’s pixel penis. And that just spreads pointless, OOC jealousy throughout the RP. On the other, you have people who are horrified by forced sex scenes. You also have people with such prudish no-strip limits and still stay yellow. I’m sorry to tell you this, no one is having sex here. We’re just adults sharing fantasies over computers. Guys, you aren’t getting laid, whether you seduce a girl and take her down. And girls, you aren’t making love. No one is cheating on their boyfriends/girlfriends, and no one is getting raped. Sometimes these shared fantasies are arousing, exciting, or even disturbing. But they are never really sex. Stop taking it all so seriously and just have some adult fun with people.
[12:41:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hear hear
[12:41:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i wish all would think that way
[12:42:05] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): :D *high fives*
[12:42:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not much to add there really
[12:42:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we had just last last week a drama about "primbabies"...
[12:42:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and guys, at such days.. i stare at my screen and think "really?"
[12:42:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are adults. mature.
[12:43:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): keep that all in mind please and don't be butthurt about some silly pixels
[12:43:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa ?
[12:43:43] CocoaBerri: "yes to elaborate on what Rodeo was saying this has happened to my group members as well and they were green..and trying to force people to rp with you, then complaining about their rp and even reporting them and furthermore..extra people coming around during a guard summons and throwing in their 2 cents when no one called you or you weren't involved.. and it is not your concern
[12:44:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. however.. you are in a roleplay region.. you are here to roleplay.. so.. the "forced to roleplay" makes me in reflex ask "why does it feel forced? and if it feels forced is then a roleplay region for you?"
[12:44:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because, honestly...
[12:44:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i feel like i want to be alone, i am not here
[12:45:06] CocoaBerri: there are sooo many people here to rp with
[12:45:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): when i am here i expect at any time to be roleplayed with
[12:45:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and no i don't pick who roleplays with me
[12:45:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): those who walk up on me i RP with
[12:45:24] CocoaBerri: if you don't particularly like somones rp, then why engange them?
[12:45:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i do because i am a nice person (ok, some argue that point, me being nice)
[12:45:45] CocoaBerri: engage*
[12:45:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): why being elitist?
[12:46:11] Rodeo Dastardly: aww  your  sweet  Tantrica
[12:46:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i don't gfeel like RP then i am not here
[12:46:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i am here i RP
[12:46:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): with whoever
[12:46:25] CocoaBerri: its not the person you are complining about issue..its yours..if you don't like them, leave them alone
[12:46:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): why would i start RP with people i don't like?
[12:46:50] CocoaBerri: exactly!!
[12:47:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cocoa - maybe the "dislike" is only IC ?
[12:47:50] CocoaBerri: wghatever their issue is OOC or ic..tthey don't have to rp with the people they don't like
[12:47:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *that* is the point
[12:48:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): their dislike IS in character
[12:48:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that is what the "victim" needs to grasp
[12:48:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if the victim can't keep IC and OOC apart (and frustratingly many cant) then that leads to "But you hate me, why do you RP with me?"
[12:48:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and that is the point
[12:48:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there is no OOC hate
[12:48:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make them embrace it
[12:48:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not whining and pull back
[12:48:59] CocoaBerri: it is ooc when they are constantly reporting people who do rp to their satisfaction
[12:49:07] CocoaBerri: dont*
[12:49:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the last report i got from kamayura was a guy in your hostel refusing to roleplay because he invented the rule "inside a room one is not allowed to be shot"
[12:49:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sorry, not going to fly
[12:50:02] CocoaBerri: noted
[12:50:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[12:50:10] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): I would like to bring up people who refuse to rp with you but constantly attack you. Or try to jump into to fights that are not  theres.  How can and should we deal with this?  it is a ongoing  problem.
[12:50:18] CocoaBerri: but that is not always the case..that was one incident
[12:50:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes cocoa, it was one incident, and i read every log when a priestess counsels...
[12:50:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and my desk here at home has already  a dent where i bang my head against
[12:50:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because the other easons are equally lame
[12:51:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you need to tell your people once and for good three things, cocoa:
[12:51:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. tantrica is not protecting huffy or mika or santa claus
[12:51:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. kamayura are not special, they are here to be roleplayed with like every other person too
[12:52:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 3. there are no rule slike "don't shoot inside a building" - if you make rules up, expect the rules to be laughed off
[12:52:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am suportive to your tribe like i am to any other tribe
[12:52:30] CocoaBerri: oh just my group? did I mention Huffy or mikas name once?..
[12:52:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): again
[12:52:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am supportive to your tribe like to any other tribe to
[12:53:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i defend your point when i believe that your build is not intentionally crap in ots mesh physics
[12:53:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i ban people from your region when they are staling you
[12:53:18] CocoaBerri: true
[12:53:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i speak up in your place when peole thik you cheat on purpose
[12:53:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but i also return the xth time your "crashed" doors
[12:53:53] CocoaBerri: true
[12:53:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i banned from your tribe people when they boast in chat that i lost any credibility (that[12:54:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i also say things as they are when i feel that you are painting your tribe as the victim here and it is just not true
[12:54:25] CocoaBerri: hell fell for the okey doke
[12:54:39] CocoaBerri: he souldnt have let Huffy bait him that way
[12:54:43] CocoaBerri: he*
[12:54:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now back to [12:50:08] мιкα™ (Mikaela Pelazzi): I would like to bring up people who refuse to rp with you but constantly attack you. Or try to jump into to fights that are not  theres.  How can and should we deal with this?  it is a ongoing  problem.
[12:55:16] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And let me clarify that ban.. because Tan did not decide the ban. She banned then asked me to talk to him, to get my view if the ban should be lifted or not. We neither of us ban 'lightly'
[12:55:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that we will solve if we introduce a third rule "helping is forbidden"
[12:55:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because really this "jump into a fight" is here and in *every other* combat roleplay region a pest
[12:56:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): annoying
[12:56:03] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): It is
[12:56:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): disturbing
[12:56:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we will have a vote on that later this weekend
[12:56:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[12:56:29] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria) Frowns as he lowers his hand "I'd just like to address a serious question. Where is this ginger booty we are all hearing about? ...On a less serious note, the Mafia 'hi-jacked' the strawberries and I saw nothing but complaints. We seriously react like that when someone tries to inject some roleplay? You could try and beg the strawberries, try and fight for them, pay for them... lots of RP options. It was a great idea, it really was. Whining about how the Mafia have taken over the strawberries shouldn't be one of them if we are here to RP and have some bloody fun. I was embarrassed that some of the complainers were leaders.  It is getting so that people seem to constantly look for a reason to complain and escape RP. When here we all roleplay ALL the time, so I fail to see how anyone forces us to roleplay. If you don't want to RP, then you are in the wrong place. Just because one persons idea of RP isn't yours does NOT make it wrong. Just go with it, and embrace the challenge. And sorry Tantrica, Santa
[12:56:29] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria):  should have protection!"
[12:56:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hear hear
[12:57:05] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Also... a rescue ban
[12:57:22] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): If we have one, it needs to include, back-up arriving for attackers
[12:57:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy made, two years ago, a brilliant Roleplay also with "world Wildlife Fund" - and what happened? people right clicked the signs, saw wh made them, and filed reports....
[12:57:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people.. LEARN how to ROLEPLAY
[12:57:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and For what its worth
[12:57:42] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Agreed!
[12:58:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the current sign at the strawberries, Huffy placed with my consent  - and the former sign was removed before i saw it
[12:58:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and
[12:58:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): For what its worth 2:
[12:58:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): this is NOT protecting Huffy, i would encourage similar to others if they are equally witty
[12:58:36] CocoaBerri Cocoaberri Laughs her ASS off!!
[12:58:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Liu, please
[12:58:57] Liu  Jiao (zer0dawn): this is a balance issue,mainly for combat. At the moment there is a very limited variety of combat. 99% of all players are just using the ranged option nd are not really using melee, which i believe should have a bit more reward for using than ranged. I Think if you added more damage to melee as it is, making it around 2.0-2.5 then there would be more mix up in combat, along side this it would reward those high risk moment of using it against a ranged combatant with a high reward. If the person who is ranged can kite properly (( shoot and run away )) they can beat a melee easily, if not the melee should be rewarded.
[12:59:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kailyr ?
[12:59:43] Kaela (kailyr): sorry, my  comment is from way before....half of the issues Harold sees about fights come from the downing notice, and healers that tell buddies whos down and where. what if the downings are only told for these who starve or drown? or, just the place? "someone"...blabla in las ninas? This would stop the white knights flood i think.
[13:01:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, Kailyr, there was a request for that, it is on my list
[13:01:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[13:01:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tephanie ?
[13:01:30] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser): This is not a complaint of any sort. Maybe it is a suggestion, for having it experienced my own way. I don't blame anyone, nor am I aiming anyone. But if I have met the issue, maybe other will. I have been lost for a good 6 months (and I'm pink so open to any kind of RP), without a single RP out of it. I'm now in a tribe and have fun making RP, but I also am not the kind to go and raising havoc on others. Maybe I'm too kind. I'm not sure engaging RP with others, and it's a problem I try working on myself. I would simply make this statement, to remind people that also newcomers might feel overwhelmed. If more interactions with people you're not familiar with were happening, it would ease out things for those, who, like me, are scared about "annoying" other people (even though we all here to play) and also give a chance to show others some roleplay, and also let feel some newcomers how it goes. Sometimes, shy people can also deliver excellent RP... You never know before you tried it. That's all for me, thank
[13:01:30] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser):  you
[13:02:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes good point too - not everyone is .. very outgoing, indeed
[13:02:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cento?
[13:02:41] cento (cento54): ty and sorry name was deleted from list. so this is much earlier topic.. so if a group captures a couple of tribe members the tribe cannot go and rescue them or pay ransom? Thats what you mean by no rescue? Or if I cap a raider (and I might someday) the other raiders cant come and down me when Im leashing. my cap? this seems to eliminate a lot of rp.
[13:04:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes cento, it eliminates some RP, but in most cases there is no RP on rescue-raids anyway. in most cases it goes like "suddenly x helpers ♥ Pop ♥ up" then "how did you know? you cheated" and there the rp flies out of hte window
[13:04:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in 90% of all reports that we get about "we need a guard" the cause is rescue-RP
[13:04:47] cento (cento54): ty
[13:04:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i know for a fact that we are not alone with that but all metered combat sims have that
[13:07:55] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I like to say if there a fighting going on your not in it then stay out of it.  not show up 15-20 minutes later with another army to help your fallen friends.  Rp has to stop then the caps complaining there no rp.  Groups start acussing others they don't rp when it fact then fight continuues because was the caps most the time calling in for more help
[13:08:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right, same issue - rescue RP
[13:08:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is always troubling
[13:08:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[13:08:54] Reni (serenityaeon): About the Amazon Group Chat mentioned earlier:
many issues are about mixing IC and OOC, i think.
the chat is used for OOC questions and also people use it RPwise. that mixes things up and makes it hard sometimes to separate OOC and IC messages. how about having 2 chat groups? 1 striclty for OOC things, rule questions etc and the other for socializing, annoucing IC stuff and the like?
RP in my opinion shouldn't take place in the group at all. that should happen in the jungle. Such clear separation could help with many issues, i think.

((lifehack: use a text eidtor to type your statement and copy/paste it in chat her when it's your turn. that would survive even a crash ^^))
[13:09:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, i like that too Reni.
[13:09:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will think of AZ chat more
[13:09:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve?
[13:09:49] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): 1st.  I agree we should appreciate when someone puts the effort to create roleplay opportunities like the berry situation. OOCly Thanking the Mafia for that now even though I do not like them IC. **applauds** Second...the no rescue rule I think maybe a window of time where no rescue is a good idea, but not flat out no rescue.  3 - Where do we post IC lures. the AZ chat seems dedicated to ooc. Could we possilbly have an IC group where it is only ic posts that extend rp to others in a creative way.  ((sorry had pretyped. he said what I wanted to say))
[13:10:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mhm.. by the way - we wil keep a log of this later in the blog.. also for me to read up so that the good ideas won't get lost
[13:11:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Eve....
[13:11:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): by ?
[13:11:17] Aby (macmaccee): just a question - I recently have seen people using the curare darts and if I use them I assume people don't take the darts really seriously - why is that? thanks to let me know - because I love to use them!
And to Cento - yes if I am in the near and have seen my sister is capped why shouldn't I help her? Isn't that reasonable to help her? However I like to try that?? (dealing for instance - could be a way) -  interesting question isn't it?
[13:11:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby :)
[13:12:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah the curare darts don't blind fully.. maybe i will work them over how they affect the victim..
[13:12:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): at the moment some just run along with diminished view.. some use also a viewer trick to cheat out
[13:12:24] Aby (macmaccee): that would crazy wonderful Tantrica Aby smiles
[13:12:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): out of hte curare darts
[13:13:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and now, Margo please
[13:13:13] Margo (brandy1773): sorry for the misfire, but here goes again:
[13:13:19] Margo (brandy1773): ust wanted to say that  I disagree with this long comment about pixel sex, I think that people with this type of attitude are often careless, and hurtful, yes it is true we are living a fantasy but we are real behind the screen and feelings doesn't know boundaries.  fantasy  yes but these pixels took their feelings from the flesh
[13:13:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i think.. we are talking about different degrees of immersion
[13:14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as an example:
[13:14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would i bother if Baron goes and shags around randomly? hardly
[13:14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would i bother if he stopped loggin in ? certainly
[13:14:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mind you, the latter has nothing to do with sex
[13:15:08] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): It's about the tax breaks, right?
[13:15:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now, for some people having pixel sex might be.. uhm.. touching (and i am not talking about men typing one hand!)
[13:15:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and for others they see it more relaxed...
[13:15:48] Margo (brandy1773): I just took offense to how dismissive he was of other's feelings
[13:15:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, no one dies if John Doe plays with Jane Doe.. even if Jane Doe is not his wife
[13:16:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no one is dismissive of your feelings, rest assured
[13:16:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we just don't see the point how some create drama about nothing really
13:16:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i find things annoying....
[13:16:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so for example:
[13:16:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): a guy here is supporter, has a house here, has a bed here...
[13:16:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): comes home from RL work, logs to SL and finds strangers shag in his SL bed...
[13:17:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): super annoying as this is his spare time
[13:17:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so yah i could understand that
[13:17:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but sleeping around? i can not..
[13:17:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because it is not my RL body?
[13:17:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is not my RL feelings?
[13:18:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): honestly, 75% of the men i sleep with are so lame that i read websites during shagging!
[13:18:21] Rodeo Dastardly: laughs
[13:18:25] Margo (brandy1773): laughs
[13:18:31] Aα尺α (aara.iceghost): laughs
[13:18:48] Khaing (raigann): :)
[13:18:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "Ok, that is not quite true, i watch youtube videos...
[13:18:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing ?
[13:18:56] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): So that's why you tell me it's raining when we jig-a-jig!!
[13:18:57] Aα尺α (aara.iceghost): laughs
[13:18:58] Khaing (raigann): porn?
[13:19:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins
[13:19:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): your turn, Khaing ?
[13:19:22] Khaing (raigann): I need to afk for a short while, but wanted to add to Persephone’s & Margo’s points about sex RP & also on the issue of rescue/s & loads turning up.
[13:19:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) tell me when you re back then..
[13:19:51] Khaing (raigann): I do in part agree with Perse’s views, jealousy over pixel sex as she described it, seems crazy. But on the other hand RP can pull RL strings. I’ve worked with rape victims & their abusers in RL. A lot of RL sex abuse begins with fantasies. I personally find rape RP distasteful and I’ve a couple of friends in SL who have been sexually abused in RL & they get very upset about related RP. Sure, here they can set limits in profiles. I just wanted to point this out.
[13:20:50] Khaing (raigann): On the issue of loads turning up for battles, Xoco has been accused of metagaming as lots can turn up when there’s a fight. It’s actually our policy not to attempt rescues. We’re a large group & when we’re in a fight others can join in ‘on our side’ when we haven’t called then. They just see a battle with a common enemy and want to fight too. We can’t control their RP.
[13:21:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i can see that point, but they can go green then - or, if that is not sufficient, they can enjoy roleplay sims with "M" or "G" rating - that is not dismissive, i know some good RP areas that are all "House" like.. no violence, no nudity
[13:21:31] Khaing (raigann): I just wanted folk to know that
[13:21:38] Khaing (raigann): sure
[13:21:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, Rescues, raids, joined battles.. you see .. the issue is in any tribe :)
[13:21:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Persephone ?
[13:22:09] Persephone Bolero: ((Hope (elusive cristole) asked me to post this for her. I’m just going to paste the response. This isn’t my question.)) “Don't know how to word it, about the continual insults and demeaning comments in role play saying you're new you have nothing to say, and the insults that are in group chat are uncalled for and personally aimed at people.”
[13:22:19] Khaing (raigann): (afk now)
[13:23:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would need examples. please post these to me in IM, the personal insults in AZ chat.. also at thi spoint a friendly reminder for evryone: bgheera, the cat, is a bot, who also records all group chat in the amazon group. so if i am asked to look at a particular event, i can fetch the log from there too,
[13:24:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Namidia ?
[13:24:04] Namida Giulia: anyone knows how far away can be heard a gun shot in RL?
[13:24:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no
[13:24:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i was, fortunatly, never in the situation to have contact with any arms in RL
[13:24:42] mustang (gijack4): depens on the cal of the gun
[13:25:02] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((Mustang - no side comments. If you want to say something click the cube))
[13:25:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): B'Neh ?
[13:25:11] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir): As to the signs, should they not have something in them to easily be removed. IF I chose to role play digging them up and tossing them in to the water or burning them...the sign is still there. Last time, it just became a magnet for others to set signs. It became a trash heap for each group to lay down an opinion instead of role playing it. It was no longer role play at that point. Otherwise, yes, totally get that these are tools to start and continue a role play, and I totally support those. *Ad point* We created an Amazon River Role play group a while back, for lures and role play discussion, support, games, etc. Yes, it's a bit sleepy now, but would welcome the additions and dust cleaning, if people want to use it ;)
[13:26:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh see? totes forgot that group! might be worth a look into
[13:26:24] ζ B'Neh ξ (benet.reinoir) thumbs up'd her
[13:26:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and as for signs with click-die - i would rather see indeed roleplay sparked up.. where is, for example.. the "bounty hunters" group that forms from oppressed amazonians, hunting down mika and huffy? i experct that group daily to appear, but all i hear is wailing
[13:27:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cocoa ?
[13:27:25] CocoaBerri: I think that if the healer position was back to healers being non combative, a pile of people would resign as healers..I also think there should be a cap on healers per group because it seems like some people are being promoted so fast and by mentors from their own groups and there is a disproportionate amount of healers in some groups vs others. also my statement about people showing up during a guard call who were not involved in the matter..wasn't addressed.
[13:27:51] Kaela (kailyr): zips
[13:28:01] Rodeo Dastardly: agrees  totaly
[13:28:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the healer stuff is in the hands of the healer mentors who took off a great pile from my shoulders, which i naturally like.. i can't speak for them but i see that genrally the healer situation improved big time. i will happily join a smaller talk-round with you, Melissa and me myself, to address that
[13:29:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people, appearing uninvited, is like in RL, where you have mouthbreathers staring at any "different" situation, like an accident
[13:29:33] CocoaBerri: thank you..and about the guard call circus?
[13:29:38] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): hehe
[13:29:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we have for that reason moved the limbo of prisoners already moved to the volcano.. and guards are usually only on site to arrest - and priests ask later
[13:30:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe i will just remind the guards that, once they are called, they arrest the entire site
[13:30:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then the priestess can ask and sort out, later or the next day
[13:30:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i suppose that might also reduce the guard calls
[13:30:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good idea!
[13:30:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:30:46] CocoaBerri: yes butwhile waiting for guards..somethins the site of the problem turns into a big problem
[13:31:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then more to arrest for the guard
[13:31:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they actually love the arrest tool
[13:31:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[13:31:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): guards are not moderators.. so everyone who is on site when a guard appears can be arrested - just so - for no reason
[13:31:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i will enforce that
[13:32:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you have never been arrested, let me describe:
[13:32:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. you lose all your ranks, that means you run through wisdom cave again, and seeker, and if you were healer, then healer training too
[13:33:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. you are stuck in hte limbo until a priestess has time to listen to your case - that can take an hour or a day or longer
[13:33:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so if you still want to play mouthbreather and stare at "None of your business" things, you are welcome to suffer the consequences
[13:33:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rochambeau ?
[13:34:07] Rochambeau (missendai): Back to Stephanie’s comments about Newbies. Some of us are new to this jungle and/or RP jungle style and many cool people here are excellent teachers but waiting around for Seekers, trying to find them (when that is not what you want to be doing with your time), or being IM’d by friends when you are in the middle of an other RP to stop, drop, and roll to go blather in low level / low tension RP with a seeker who is judge and jury of your RP skills, your profile, and physical avatar is annoying.

I am tied to a couple tribes, I’ve finished quests, I love this wild world so much I became a supporter and I built a village… Seekers Schmeeekers…Zzz…Zz… sucks that newbies needs ‘em  ~ *laughs

- end of comment
[13:34:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): humm you mean you don't find a seeker?
[13:35:40] Rochambeau (missendai): I have interacted with seekers 4 plus times...It's unclear what they do besides judge you
[13:36:24] Rochambeau (missendai): It's the judgment that I find most offfensive about their role... I have learned more from chiefs and mentors
[13:36:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have just checked the seeker logs, i can't find anything, usually seekers make a note when they evaluated someone
[13:37:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so i think they migh tjut not have evaluated you yet? but that is a guess.
[13:37:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however, yes, seekers judge
[13:37:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they decide who gets rpomoted and it works. though we still have roleplay noobs, we have less RP noobs than similar areas
[13:37:49] Rochambeau (missendai): interesting...no worries either. I am easy going and I'll make contact eventually
[13:37:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:38:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:38:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): I think the best way to solve the issue of using melee would to be lower the number of shots allowed to be loaded into the hud. 40 ammo in combat in a perfect world can take down 4-5 people on their own, and we used to have ammo that would be wasted if you missed a shot. That doesn't happen anymore with the raycast system in place. If people have less ammo it's going to force them to either stop and get out of mouselook to reload, or switch to melee and give a better option than melee being practically useless right now. I can't remember the last time I melee'd someone in an actual fight.                                                                                               Another issue I want to raise is the use of HUD's to rez birds and auto-sit. I've seen it from more than one group. Someone gets knocked off a bird, as they fall another bird gets rezzed and they auto-sit on it, and continue flying away                             And the reason for the sign b'neh was talking about had no delete
[13:38:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  scripts in it is because the sign was to encourage roleplay. If it was simply touch delete the first person after we leave clicks it, and it's ended? Nobody else is going to see it. The first sign did collect heaps of trash and why? Because people didn't want to play along with it, or ignore it. It was met with multiple fires, and pictures of cows trying to lick it's own ass. How is anyone going to see it and get ideas to roleplay if within the first hour of the sign it's taken down. Now if someone had captured myself or someone from the mafia, and roleplay with them taking them to the sign and burning it, or breaking it apart then yes It would have been picked up.
[13:39:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree with what Huffy says about the sign...
[13:39:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will look into the melee
[13:39:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am again a bit annoyed about people investing so much brain into "how can i cheat" with hteir birds instead of "how can i actually roleplay ?"
[13:40:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, to anyone who made that "autositter" script with "autorezzing birds": you are a mouthbreathing cunt
[13:40:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oops, did i say that loud?
[13:40:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i did
[13:40:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Ash?
[13:41:15] Ash (akashadelights): It really seems to me, that if you simply follow the rules and Rp then everyone is happy.  But in the history of time, and as long as the world turns, that will never happen.  So in my humble opinion, suck it up and just roll with it.  Let the rp play out, if you have issues, address them LATER and only if they are truly reportable events.  Standing in a circle in the middle of an attack with both sides flinging insults at the other, blaming them of cheating, crying they got shoved off a cliff, or whatever the case is, is an absolute waste of time and its ruined the rp event for all.  I have yet to see a multi-player event play all the way through without someone stopping the whole thing to tattle, accuse or cry.  This has and will continue to drive people off.  Additionally, for those that are sensitive or get their feelings hurt easily... maybe a carp sim is not for you.  Wouldn’t it be nice if absolutely NO ((OCC talk was allowed in nearby))? On another note:  As far as carp, it is a good idea to
[13:41:15] Ash (akashadelights):  specify what carp is in the wisdom cave.  Newbies are often clueless – I was in the first few days.  Are you aware people come out of the wisdom cave automatically yellow? They may need a little time to decide their color.
[13:42:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "we can flesh out what carp is.. yes.. reminds me of a funny story, we had once a guy here who was into fishing.. 7seas or sumthing.. and who hunted all regions up and down, for carps...
[13:43:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and yes.. people, grow more thick skinned.. like the example i mentioneed right in the very start of today "john Doe peed in my mouth" - folks, really, i don't even want such IMs
[13:43:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): grow up ?
[13:43:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta?
[13:44:08] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Three suggestions. About the sign... make it a time delay. Someone clicks it, has to record what they did with it (textbox?) and the sign goes alpha for 5-10  minutes or whatever, resets for the next person.
[13:44:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good idea
[13:44:20] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Second, I'm Xoco and green, so 'rescue RP' doesn't affect me - but I suggest allowing it by pre-arrangement at the start of a capture RP. That might be more interesting. 'Rescue in an hour' or something.
[13:44:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mhm
[13:45:03] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): Third, why are 'john vs jane' questiins even going to you? That's what lower level admoins deal with in most RP sims - and most are a lot smaller than Amazon.
[13:46:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah.. i actually don't like to be IMed directly either.. because: a soon as i appear on scene it fuels the conspiracy idiots again "there she goes, siding with..." regardless who i decide in favour for
[13:46:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yah, please always follow the protocol.. use "help". that has another big advantage...
[13:47:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it is listed in the leader group as note, for 14 days
[13:47:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the risk that it gets forgotten is much smaller then
[13:47:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Lynxa ?
[13:47:28] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): I wanna say 4 things, so bare with me pls. but i think people tend to forget in the heat of battle.
[13:47:41] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 1. Groups and factions, just as a person develops a character background, you need to icly know why you're fighting. What is the reason your group/ faction is at constant war? Why do they hate XX tribe, and demand the head of faction XXXX's leader? Are you trying to resolve it? Are you trying to eliminate the competition in the Amazon? You should be basing a large portion of your groups combat on the why, as it gives you a goal and an ic reason to fight.
[13:48:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): very good!
[13:48:16] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 2. Live what you are. The in my opinion, the pockets of ooc between groups and adversaries does nothing but confuse the rp. Stay in character and people will understand why you do what you do.. and while i know some of you hate to hear it, Huffy and even Harold are pretty good at staying in character, even if people often hate their characters. If you're a rogue, most often your character should be feared for some reason, or distrusted, even hated. if you're a settler, are you talking to other settlers, trying to install wells, or figure out a way to get running water.. and so on. Your rp doesnt stop at your roleplay within your groups or factions.
[13:49:12] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 3. I think saying 'no rescuing' needs to be quantified. Because sometimes a person is taken while their friend is actually there in the rp.. and they give chase. it wouldnt make sense icly for that individual not to try to rescue them in some way. For them to just say, ho, hum.. oh, well and walk away. But i do agree that if someone is taken and there are no ic witnesses, then rescue should be banned to let the rp play out.
[13:49:59] LуиXα ωìℓđє (lynxa): 4. Lastly, I want to throw out there that we at T.S.S. are creating a somewhat different rp scenario and we hope you all will eventually stumble by. If you do, hopefully our rp can help you grow yours in some way, while ours twists and turns as well.
[13:50:55] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason) grins "Thanks Lynxa - I am sure Tan will scan and respond when she gets back - but sensible points - and a good 'plug' " :p
[13:50:59] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Harold?
[13:51:01] Ĥȧɼoレđ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (harold134): B'neh and Maccus had made a Amazon Roleplayers Group for rp lures. Is that still there?
Besides the background stories, could the seekers also do something physical like a push or a nudge or step on someone's toe and see if they react before promoting them?
I've seen a lot of new people reply but don't react. Can we add this as part of the standard test?
[13:51:42] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): We touched on the Roleplay Group and will look in too reawakening it, yes.
[13:52:03] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And that's certainly an interesting idea for seekers!
[13:52:15] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Preostan?
[13:52:18] Preostan Scribe: Maybe, if you choose to have no rescue,  also disallow the unrealistic dragging/flying of multiple bodies across multiple sims . . in other words, if you down them in their camp, deal with the reality of choosing that location, instead of the privacy of your cave - unless you can get there realistically . . ((also guns shots echo'g off the hills wouldn't give much of a clue if you did hear them))  And damn it, a sign can get tossed over the cliff just like a person might.
[13:52:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): goo dpoints, lynxa, harold, and Preostan.. thank you
[13:53:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus ?
[13:53:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Sorry, we have moved past this now, but for what it is worth... On the subject of ERP (Erotic Roleplay - AKA Boink Boink) is just another form of roleplay. It may be a little more fun that some, but it is, at the end of the day, just another form of roleplay. When you have RP Sex with someone you might have a relationship with, it is of course different. But for a lot of us that enjoy the more sexual side of roleplay, the big turn on is the dance of my roleplay against yours. The challenge of two (or more) people having fun roleplay. I understand that from RL and even SL generally, sex is seen as something you do with those you have a romantic relationship with. But here, in the jungle, sex, is, to many of us, just another form of fun RP. I disagree with the comments on rape roleplay. By the very definition of rape, if I have rape roleplay with someone who is happy to take part in it, it is, of course, not really rape. Just two people who enjoy exploring another type of sexual roleplay. Would I rape or even
[13:53:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria):  support rape in RL? Not a chance, but here, it is, just ROLEPLAY! There is a grey area of course with emotions. The ERP that I might have with Tantrica, would not (sorry Tan) give me the same 'reactions' as ERP with B'Neh (my partner). So saying, I could still have rape roleplay with B'Neh and not feel abusive for either of us as we both embrace all forms of RP, it would to us, just be a roleplay event and nothing more or less, just the challenge of taking our minds somewhere they haven't been and seeing if we can make it real for each other. Anyone who would like join the Amazon Roleplayers group, IM me now and I'll add you!
[13:53:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) sobs
[13:54:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i .. will get.. over it.
[13:54:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Stephanie?
[13:54:13] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser): In the realm of RP-Quests, I'm trying to make one, but it is linked to a specific list of people (I'm sure you know what quest it is). Unfortunately, out of this short list, one is someone I've absolutely never saw, nor my sisters and brothers in tribe, and the other one is often hum... how to say... well he is high in the sky and unreachable. I didn't sent an IM to those people, since it goes over IC, and I don't like calling people in whatever they do. They might be busy doing other important things, and I respect that, but, when a quest ask for specific people, is there an ICly method to reach out those that are linked to a specific mean ? Like a push button to let them know said avatar would like an opportunity to RP ?
[13:54:15] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria) Sighs sadly
[13:55:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no smart answer yet for the netgun quest. as soon as i have one i wil lcome back to that :)
[13:55:35] Stephanie (stephanie.mesmeriser) nods
[13:55:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you know...
[13:56:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we made that quest once to ellicit more sexual roleplay.. at a time where people were.. prudish.. really about almost anything here
[13:56:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): some still are.. i am in strong support of open love, being promiscous, having sex, and all that - it is how i roll, and naturally by that, how my sims *should* roll
[13:56:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and to enforce that we made that quest
[13:57:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and got as response "men with red dots are rapist pigs" and "look at tantrica, so desperate to get laid that she made q quest for that" -
[13:57:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you understand, sometimes it is tough to keep things going with such a loud of foul miserably  jealous cunts
[13:58:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, no idea how to proceed with that quest
[13:58:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): bear with me
[13:58:31] Aby (macmaccee): 1. Just saying----when i came here new like a bloody newbie hehehe, I didn't know any bout any rules... now I am here more than a half a year - close to be every day here more than a couple of hours... and I may say I still havn't any rules in my head.... so for a newbie here it is very very hard not to get overwhelmed and alos shocked it a way as a mistake is programmed in advance... Maybe some should show more patient to those? That would really be helpfull to get more nice people to this wonderful RP SIM - am I right? Thank you so much...
2. Oh and as I will see a guard crossing my way  -  in future I will better run for my life!
3. I dunno, maybe I am still too much newbiish (smiles) but as I said I am lots of hours and close to any day in the Amazon and also in my camp - and really it's annoying and to me kinda griefing - if some who randomly attack our camp just fly arround, wander up and down, stand somewhere... and any next second they could attack again (and they do that for hours sometimes!)... I
[13:58:31] Aby (macmaccee):  don't think that has to do with a roleplay.... I really would love to see that is stopped. As they want to attack our camp okay... but hanging around and grief - it's a nononono to me

Thank you again
[14:00:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah, attacking with no RP warrants demotion though.. and we address it..
[14:00:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you may have noticed that we cracked down on a guy who excelled in "shooting with no combat" - he struggles since two weeks now to get his yellow dot back
[14:00:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't say names
[14:00:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:00:58] Aby (macmaccee): smiles, okay
[14:01:00] Syd Straaf: I just want to say that I think people need to remember that all interactions, whether won or lost, are opportunities where we "get" to rp, not "have" to rp. Too many, myself included, often forget this and put more effort into avoiding rp than enjoying it. Everyone I've ever interacted with here has been a pretty good rper when they've wanted to be, or at least decent at it and happy to learn, and that includes the most severely criticized people in the jungle. We get stuck in vicious circles of accusations and bitterness until some folks don't even get a chance to try to rp before others start trying to avoid it. I think everyone really needs to just take a step back and remember we are ALL here to have fun and that's a lot more likely to happen if we are all respectful of each other OOCly.
[14:01:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): very good point, yes
[14:01:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): remember that, all
[14:01:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): don't find excuses why to not RP
[14:01:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): embrace it
[14:02:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika
[14:02:02] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): Can we have like a limit on how many limits a person can have and still be yellow?  Some of the limits on peoples profiles are insane.
 [14:02:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh i just need to nudge our seekers again, we demote on ridicolous limits
 [14:02:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you see them, report them
[14:02:36] Aby (macmaccee): blushes^^
[14:02:43] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): will i get arrested?
[14:02:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah, if you are yellow and you say "No stripping me" you miss the point
[14:03:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you are yellow and say "No agression" you miss the point too
[14:03:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will give one warning, and 24h for you to fix your profile
[14:03:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then you get demoted
[14:03:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Mika, you will get arrested if you break rule #2, like everyone .)
[14:03:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve?
[14:03:58] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): no i mean wil i get arrested if i report
[14:04:02] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): Is there a process for 'story weaving' on the sim. Any staff dedicated to presenting or reviewing sim wide RP ideas that may be presented by players.  Could be found restricting if its a requireded process, but then again it could also prevent confusion if things like how to handle the signs are OOCLy discussed prior to the start of such RP.  Something to consider perhaps.
[14:04:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no, if you report you won't get arrrested
[14:04:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the worst that can happen is that we laugh you off, secretly
[14:04:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you will never learn that though, so all good :D
[14:04:45] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): laughs
[14:05:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hmm
[14:06:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): interesting idea, story weaving. i must say i have no experience in that. it sounds a bit like work.
[14:06:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe we can look ijnto that later
[14:06:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): tomorrow or so
[14:06:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[14:06:29] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): This was a request from someone else and not my own SO I'm sure he/she will read the comments that follow in the ledger afterwards
Metagaming
This word comes out of my mouth alot. and I mean alot.  Why am I saying it so much, especially when we have roleplay class instructors that go over this very topic each time they teach a class, donating to you their time, experience and skill for no charge?  It is because you, the metagamer, choose not to listen.  For one reason or another, many people on these 11 sims care to think they know it all.  This was my mindset for a long time until a faction mate told me and then showed me the error of my ways.  Someone I trusted took the time to educate me, answer my questions and guide me.  In almost two years I am a completely different roleplayer.  If you want someone calling you a metagamer/powergamer/godmoder, etc to stop calling you these names numerous times, you should understand the terms and adapt your RP to be able to progress.  Nevertheless, I see this on a
[14:06:29] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  very regular basis, being done both by newcomers and by seasoned Amazon veterans who, in all likeliness, just don't give a rats ass that they are breaking a very standard rule of roleplay.
[14:07:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): humm, the first question i have here is: why is she/he using you as proxy? and not speaking for him/herself?
[14:07:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): is he/she banned?
[14:08:05] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): No, they couldn't make it to the meeting
[14:08:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would be still nice to have a name, but anyway.. yah.. improving RP quality is an ongoing process... and i know some struggle, and some do it on the fly...
[14:09:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): kudos to all who at least try
[14:09:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and those who "don't give a rats ass" - are not in the right place here, clearly
[14:09:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aby?
[14:09:36] Aby (macmaccee): Can anyone tell me where the cemetery is for all the broken planes in Amazon?? Hahahah
[14:09:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[14:09:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Cento?
[14:09:52] cento (cento54): Im happy to say Im not in Tan's 75% lame guy group which is a surprise since I was AFK the whole time. seriously I thought this meeting was very well done. I think this kind of meeting should be a regular thing
[14:10:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) grins "you are not in the 75% group coz we never.. shagged.. " looks at Baron "or did i?" scratches my elbow "No.. i think we haven't...
[14:10:46] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason) grins
[14:10:48] cento (cento54): oh my bad
[14:11:00] Preostan Scribe has noticed that Tantrica avoided sitting on something hard . . . That's all.  and yes good meet . .
[14:11:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles
[14:11:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syrissa?
[14:11:23] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): From Chad: ROLEPLAY....WHERE DID IT GO?

I recall being frustrated that I was too new and too inexperienced at roleplay to partake all that much in the roleplay that forced Iccaa into marriage with Emilio.  It was impressive and fun to read as well as to be a part of but at the time I wasn't aware of things like proper posting order or how to string together a few strong sentences of semi-para RP that would open opportunity for the next poster.  Not only did everyone involved play their parts well, it unfolded and evolved as a storyline over multiple days.  This doesn't happen anymore.  Ever.  People literally try their best to get out of roleplay.  You can't escape it fast enough.  One of the first things I hear on a daily basis from my captives is "let me go."  Not that I myself would want to be locked up and enslaved for hours and hours and hours of RL time either, but you get my point I'm sure.  There is no ongoing story line other than 'the jungle hates you Raiders!  we're all teaming up to beat you!'.
[14:11:23] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono):  If this is a roleplay sim, the roleplay should be ongoing and far more authentic as it very easily could be with some creativity and imagination.
[14:11:58] ĆĦΔĐ (chad.sheriffe): (( thank you Syr! ))
[14:12:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i agree. and..
[14:12:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): creativity is key
[14:12:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): what Lynxa said: have a motive! WHY do you attack XY ?
[14:12:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and then when you succeeded: WHAT are you planning to do?
[14:13:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): trust me, using the xth torture device to be the cruelest captor ever is boooring
[14:13:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): have a plan, and have it ready before you cap
[14:13:28] Aby (macmaccee): nodses much
[14:13:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and, if you lose and get capped: enjoy !
[14:13:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): look at it like that: why do i love to be captured by creative people?
[14:13:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because THEY need to whack THEIR brains
[14:14:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am allowd to just react
[14:14:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rodeo?
[14:14:18] Rodeo Dastardly: helaers and leaders"I think" both see when a person is  downed   I understand  being a healer,  when we  see when some one is  downed,  if  we are not in the  area  where  that person is downed,   we  are  not to tp and  go find  the person .  am I correct  there?? if  thats  true  why are so many healers  tping to rescue  their  friends.
[14:14:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): correct, Rodeo, it will be looked into
[14:15:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syrissa?
[14:15:14] Rodeo Dastardly: I stay  yellow  because I cant move around well enough to fight,  and  my guns  take around a minute  or  two, to load
[14:15:21] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): thanks, ....
[14:15:25] Rodeo Dastardly: and my computer is shit
[14:15:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you Rodeo :)
[14:16:28] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): I would like the attacks to stop when you're at one faction Bandits. . you're fighting and rp'ing with Bandits and someone else comes in..shoots you down and just leaves you there as they fly off..no rp , no binding ..nothing.. I want that to end if possible.. Also...
[14:17:25] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): when someone , an enemy sees you in the next tribes area with them, the come out of their area and shoot you down and again no rp , just leaves you there, i'd like that to stop.....
[14:18:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): shooting with no RP is a demote-able offense
[14:18:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Help- button is your friend
[14:18:59] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): also if your capped by a factions member , not to come in rudly interupting our rp and take the leash and kind of kicks you out to drown.. that i would like thave stopped..no rp , if not really wanted in that camp, let everyone know and why attack in first place?
[14:19:25] Șȳɍȋșșȃ ƑƦƟϻǟƝ (syrissa.broono): ok, it will be used if it happens again.
[14:19:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i know what incident you mean there and i have to say it is the same person that came with my John Doe and Jane Doe example and bodily fluids
[14:20:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): some do need to calm down and learn roleplay of the relaxed side
[14:20:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are on it
[14:20:23] Ali (aliciabraga): yesssssss
[14:20:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Maccus
[14:20:31] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Not all Leaders do not see who is downed and where, just to put that straight. And I see no reason that  a person needs to be named in healer messages, sure give the co-ordinates to healers, but remove the names. You might as well send a message  that says "come and save me" and if you mini-map watch you will see friends arriving at downed people every day
[14:20:48] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): do see*
[14:20:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[14:20:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Widow?
[14:21:13] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): what really surprise me is the hypocrisy and contradictory from certain ones. The main one who preach about metagaming and cheating....  are the very ones who partake in the same thing that they've claimed they're totally against and accuses other groups ( in amazon chat) only to save their own skin and divert the attention off them... in my eyes most who are combative aren't really playing "FULLY" by the rules..I'e seen certain one rez frivolous props inside of their cell while rp was  going on.. people dancing, yawning OOCLY.... the list goes on...
[14:21:59] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): I'm no angel myself but i for damn sure don't pretend to be perfect either
[14:23:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "i can understand that there is some frustration in there...
[14:23:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): however
[14:23:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are here for eactly that reason, that you can vent off your chest about it - and then see that some see it exactly th esame way
[14:23:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): just - from the other sde
[14:23:49] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): nods
[14:24:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why mankind has conflicts and that is why we have wars. because people don't talk enough
[14:24:32] Aby (macmaccee): nodses very much to Tan's saying
[14:24:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in fact, i am sure, 99% of all people are here in Second LIfe to "have fun" - and not on the expense of others
[14:24:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): just, some draw their lines so far out that it steps on toes of others
[14:24:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and there is the trouble :)
[14:25:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): talk to each other, without accusations
[14:25:11] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): right
[14:25:16] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): thanks tan
[14:25:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): xplain first, calmly, what you are not agreeable with
[14:25:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then suggest how to improve
[14:25:29] Ⴆʅαƈƙ ɯιԃσɯ (karmalove32): nods
[14:25:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): brb
[14:30:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Eve ?
[14:30:30] Rain Jezebel: Did mine come up?
[14:30:33] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): during an attack players are in such a hurry to get their captives away they use gestures to emote so many actions in a single line. do we have some sort of restriction on making the RP hand typed.  TO bind gag strip of communication devices etc etc etc..all in one generic line....Its just meh... I'm sure part of why they rush is part of the unfair rescues issue.  But when you want to rp the carp you almost wish you can go green so that its roleplayed w/o crazy speedy meter/gesture rp.  The chase is all the fun for some of us.
[14:30:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah i hate preffab emotes
[14:30:57] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): maybe need a color between green and yellow. open to aggressive rp but not meter stuff
[14:30:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): cracks me up each time
[14:31:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am a seeker often, just wear a slingshot
[14:31:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and get prefabs like "takes off all your coms....
[14:31:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then i think to myself already "thank you for generic stuff, i go and read websites
[14:32:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i never use prefabs and i think that is respect
[14:32:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you use them you meet my bored me and i will reply with delay, because alt-tabbing between a more interesting website and your lame prefab RP takes time
[14:32:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rain?
[14:32:58] Rain Jezebel: When I came here for sex back in May, and to learn how to capture, shoot, role play in this environment for the first time ever in my SL life, I wanted to also build a character with a realistic story and be able to move through interactions with as many people here as possible, not just sexually. I succeeded thank you, Tantrica and Baron, in may ways, in a gorgeous environment.
However, two things I find challenging. Not being judged on many things such as friendships or sexual tastes, but also it is difficult to figure out a way to interact with other tribes and really see who is where and what rp they do. If there was more of a way to create connecting stories for us? I'm at a loss for my exact question. Maybe more of an interactive quest for tribes and people in general to come together outside their cliques? I loved Capture the flag, by the way, even though I'm not very good. Ha!
[14:33:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you are always welcome to walk into a random tribe and start RP.. like ask for a cup of sugar? :P
[14:34:04] Rain Jezebel laughs
[14:34:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika ?
[14:34:16] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): What exactly is the rule with greenies and  lock picking/fixing? should they be able to fix locked doors while the rp  ( that they are not part of )
[14:34:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no, green dots shoul dnot do stuff that you can usually only stop them from with shoorting
[14:34:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): report them with screenshot
[14:34:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby ?
[14:35:03] Aby (macmaccee): I've seen that a cuople of times:
someone was downed and leashed to a bird...
THEN they fly over River and let them drop into water.
Most of them get drowned once and once again... I always will help people to get out of the river... in my mind this is no RP too! And also a shame to do so. thanks again!
[14:35:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): reading all this maybe i am going to ban birds altogether
[14:35:38] Persephone Bolero: Yay!
[14:35:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy ?
[14:35:42] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): There are a select few around the Amazon that are constantly on the lips of everyone when it comes to unfair play. We're told to work it out as adults and not call guards, but the person or persons in question have been reported so many times that either the victim either doesn't report it because they feel like nothing is going to happen anyways, or the penalties for the person are simply an hour in jail, or a harsh "talking to", saying that the person won't do it again. If there are multiple reports over a span of week, or even months of problems that keep arising why don't they get harsher penalties. I had someone with melee fight after they were bound, call me a fag, and I respectfully told them to leave and tp out of the rp, and then before they leave switch to ranged and gun me down and leave the region only to have a guard speak to them and tell me "He was sorry". I gave them a chance instead of going directly to a guard and they chose to do the same thing again within the time it took to tell them to
[14:35:42] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389):  leave and the time other people told them from their own group to leave. That kind of behavior should have given him an arrest, or a week ban to let them know they fucked up, especially the person in question has been here for over a year. I think there needs to be week bans or something far harsher than a walk through a cave finding the special word and a run to a seeker, and some time spent in jail with friends gathered around.
[14:35:42] Rodeo Dastardly: yeaaa
[14:36:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then huffy, when you report it, make clear tht this is not your first report and describe it
[14:37:07] ʜ亗ғғʏ (huffy12389): But its not one person
[14:37:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then report them all, the help button is free of charge (at the moment )
[14:37:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara ?
[14:37:46] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): It be nice if groups stop blaming all the other groups for doing shit that they themselves do, examples alliances, calling for help.  But then they all sit their pointing fingers at others when most do the same dam thing.  If everyone just respected everyone else just have fun here.  So what you got downed big deal.  What does it mean ohh I got to role play now.  People need to stop acting like being capped such an awful thing.  Then if they are capped don't act like a sore player trying ruin others people's fun in the rp who deserved the win. 
Bottom line don't want be capped or rp stay green. Then your not wasting other peoples time who could be rping with people who really want to rp and have fun.
I been called into help with rps that I was not even part of because there be people acting butt hurt that person who capped them don;'t want rp with them, and that is not right..
[14:38:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[14:38:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want to be clear about it:
[14:38:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you think you have the right to refuse RP: you are in almost all cases wrong
[14:39:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): often it goes like "oh, i am captured, xy downed me.. now i pout and pull a limit out of my arse or i will just fake a viewer-crash
[14:39:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): lame lame lame
[14:39:19] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): yes agreed
[14:39:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if i catch you doing that you wil be demoted
[14:39:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you think you can be a picky princessy about who to RP with.. go elsewhere
[14:39:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not here
[14:40:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i also have been captured by people i do not like very much. so i behaved like an ass, In Character
[14:40:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but i RPed
[14:40:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): simply refusing RP is not going to fly here
[14:40:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kylie ?
[14:40:39] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl): First I want to thank Tantrica for doing this, so we can come to some agreement.  I didn't come here for a pissing contest, I would love for this meeting to be about fixing things not  trashing each other  because  thats not going to do anything except cause more animosity between us all. I agreed to this meeting to find a resolution since we are unable to do it on our own.
I'm tired guys! I would like us all to do better at this.  I love Amazon and have for many years, but I have never been so down and depressed about things here as in the last year. But things have gotten much worse as of recently and for the first time Ever I been contemplating leaving.
The accusations and refusing to rp is causing many issues and from frustration i have started doing the same. Let's stop digging in the past and look forward, and see  how we can improve our situation.
Also we have a cap and people come out of the wood work to rescue.  but they are the same people complaining about rescues. makes you go hmmmm

I feel
[14:40:39] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl):  River chat causes more ooc drama then anything. Its like a place where people go to stir trouble,they seem to get off on making others upset. How can we fix this ?
As for the strawberries its pushing someones idea of role play on all of us and face it pushing greens over a cliff is hardly good RP.
But sitting here listening to people pointing fingers and they do the same thing and worse we but take no responsibility , the person making the most noise is also the person that refused to rp with me ages ago then complains if i  dont rp.  so go ahead and call me a cunt.
I'm here for fun and certainly dotn need or want this but i been ridiculed more then most and i keep trying .
I thought this was a meeting to improve things was i wrong?
[14:40:41] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): but not telling this person i refuse to rp them then they pulling shit ruin everyone else fun
[14:41:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that was quite a wall of text :) let me read.. /drives with the fingertips along the lines, the lips form the words as i read
[14:42:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok. this is on emeeting, i guess, even the first of its kind here...
[14:42:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and the number of participants is witness to the interest many poeple have at it
[14:42:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so today, most people had the urgent need to vent
[14:42:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is what they did
[14:42:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): next time that need might be less already
[14:43:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as for the strawberries...
[14:43:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mafia is not a "nice" group (IC)...
[14:43:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, yes, they are abusive and force their will on others, (IC)
[14:43:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and so it is up to you to react (IC)
[14:44:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and if you are at a loss on how to do it, IM them beforehand OOC, Mika and Huffy are really nice people, and so are you, Kylie and Widow...
[14:44:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i am sure, OOC, you will find a good path that you can pursue IC
[14:44:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[14:44:41] Reni (serenityaeon): what goes along with what widow has said is how we all treat each other OOCly, i think, like:
* being respectful, not insulting
* dealing with critics and not just blame the other back like in Tan's example in the beginning:
A: you did something wrong.
B: no you did before.
* LISTEN to issues if they are annouced
* keeping in mind that Amazon should be fun for you AND all others around
* don't go instantly into OOC issues when downed (that kills any attempt to RP)
no one can force another to be rational. everyone has to work on that themself.
and no one can be forced to act rational. everyone has to kick their own butt to do so. common sense.

And about generic RP-line in group fights:
i love to RP but it's a bit odd when you run to grab a downed person and get downed yourself instantly because you are typing your RP post. i'm not talking about one on one fights.
[14:44:44] Kylie Storm  (kyliessl): I tried to talk to Huffy OOC  to resolve this a while back but he was so angry that i booted him out of Mercs that he refused.  I think if a neutral person could sit with us, we might be able to actually talk normal and get through this with a more positive outcome .
[14:45:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then Kylie, i think Elphi is ojn it as we speak, she has Imed you already and will do so with Huffy too :)
[14:46:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. i agree to all what Reni says.. and again, prefab emotes suck. who ever told you that would be a wise idea, to copy and paste emotes?
[14:46:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is lame
[14:46:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Khaing?
[14:46:44] Khaing (raigann): I also have to totally agree with Widow’s earlier comments. Like Widow, I don’t claim my group is perfect. But there is hypocrisy here, some who argue for better RP & no metagaming are amongst those who do metagame & when capped, tp out, go afk, or complain OOC how boring our RP is, or even later that they fell asleep on their keyboard. They’re also the folk who are most abusive in OOC chat. My tribe - & I know I can speak for all are against metagaming, (if any Xoco here disagree with me, please say so) - yet we get accused of it frequently.
[14:47:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): TPout, going afk, complain OOC. all demotable offenses
[14:47:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make screenshots with gyazo, post it in the help link
[14:48:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Mika?
[14:48:13] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): It is getting a bit ridiculous on the OOC banter that happens during  a rp ( mainly right after being capped) .. it ruins everyones rp  We all have to stop the rp to deal with childish things because someone is butt hurt that that got downed or they dont like the person etc.  How can we combat this?
[14:48:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): OOC banter after cap-> demoteable offense. screenshot it with gyazo and report it
[14:48:54] мιкα™ (mikaela.pelazzi): thank you
[14:48:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:49:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): by?
[14:49:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Aby :)
[14:49:06] Aby (macmaccee): grins
[14:49:15] Aby (macmaccee): Can't we do like we did with our "flag - game " kinda Trophy of a tribe what can be stolen?
just an idea... so if it is stolen the war ends or some like that hehehe
[14:49:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will do more Capture-the-flag. surely
[14:49:40] Ali (aliciabraga): Flag game was amazing fun!
[14:49:44] Rodeo Dastardly: yeaaa
[14:49:56] Aby (macmaccee): but wasn't meant as game event
[14:50:05] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((If you want to speak click the cube))
[14:50:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i know.. i noted it down, what you meant :)
[14:51:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Alexander?
[14:51:21] Alexander Reef (sealgair): Yes , I have an idea, might not be easy to o implement, maybe even imposibl.e
[14:51:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you have the floor
[14:51:46] Alexander Reef (sealgair): umm, I have considered a "poins ssytem" to rate role play levels.
[14:52:12] Alexander Reef (sealgair): maybe a number that hovers over the spirit, that ranks you in your RP expertiese (ovbiously in response to others aprisal)
[14:52:17] Aby (macmaccee): nice idea
[14:52:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) smiles "we had that
[14:52:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it was a bloodfest
[14:52:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "ok, you are my friend - rate me now.. you don't rate me? you are a acunt, i hate you !
[14:52:42] Khaing (raigann): Very difficult to implement
[14:53:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it failed because peer pressure
[14:53:22] Alexander Reef (sealgair): I see
[14:53:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): look at flickr.. those who know how to network, get silly lots "stars" on even shitty pictures
[14:53:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): same with peer-rp-reviews
[14:53:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it was a chaos
[14:54:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is why we stick to seekers, they are used to the abuse thrown at their head when they refuse a promotion
[14:54:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which does not mean that one can abuse them, but yah, some people...
[14:54:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Reni?
[14:54:51] Reni (serenityaeon): About events like capture the flag:
don't make it group vs. group. this is a chance to mix people and get them together.
[14:55:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we only made it ever "red vs blue" and never restricted who is red or blue
[14:55:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so they can mix and mingle
[14:55:32] Reni (serenityaeon): ok, cool
[14:55:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Ali?
[14:55:43] Ali (aliciabraga): my compliments on the flag game.  The reason I enjoyed it so much is because those who are considered my foes in the jungle?  We were on the same team in the flag game and it was very fun to talk with them about strategy during the flag game.  No birds.  just friends and foes on the same team having fun!
[14:56:00] Reni (serenityaeon): there's enough faction battles and mixed groups here would be good
[14:56:05] Ali (aliciabraga): it was absolutely AMAZING!
[14:56:06] Reni (serenityaeon): ((sry))
[14:56:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am glad you like it
[14:56:45] Rodeo Dastardly: Thank you Tanrica, and  Baron for  your  time to do this..
[14:56:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will do more, i just need to weed out a tiny bug
[14:56:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zeta?
[14:56:59] Zeta (zeta.blackheart): This has been a good meeting. We need more meetings like this. But we also need this one to end, we're going in circles now. 3 hours is long enough :)
[14:57:10] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Amen!
[14:57:16] Rodeo Dastardly: amen to that
[14:57:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yesss :)
[14:57:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i thank you all for your attention and your time
[14:57:38] cento (cento54): applauds group
[14:57:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you will find this later in the blog
[14:57:49] Rochambeau (missendai): Thank you for your time
[14:57:50] Eve Fintan (viviana.ruby): Thanks to all the staff and players. Loads of fun. HOpe to catch you all in RP :)
[14:57:51] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): yes very good questons asked
[14:57:55] Kaela (kailyr): smiles thanking em all
[14:57:56] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Thank you Tantrica for fielding so many commenst and questions - and thank you everyone for your participation
[14:58:01] Khaing (raigann): Many thanks Tantrica & baron


Roleplay class from Tuesday, January 15 2019 - developing a character

[14:50] spirit : 0.5 HP deducted for spirit teleport [14:50] Persephone Bolero: Hello Mad. Thanks for coming. [14:50] Dawn (dawningsmist): ...