Friday, July 28, 2017

General Meeting July 27 2017 - Summary and Transcript


1.  Spam from objects - reduce or give option for 'silent' mode.
2.  Bring back Spears as well as Rods
3.  Visual spam - boards and signs etc within 20m of a TP point will be silently returned.  Think about an 'info hub' - generally reduce the number of 'signs' where they do not feed a roleplay opportunity.
4.  Amazon Food Vendors (Traders) - restrict to the owner's camp area.
5.  Super Jumpers / Use of tiny avatars in battle / Speedy Swimmers / Invisible Parachutes - all conflict with Rule #2 - Don't be a dickhead.  Offenders will be sent to limbo with no 'benefit of the doubt'.

Shooting / RP (general discussion)

agreed that RP either before or after is essential - repeat offenders -> limbo for re-education.  This is a roleplay sim - any shooting is part of roleplay.  Do not attack people who are obviously busy/cuddling/shagging. Avoid imposing your rp on others. Roleplay, roleplay, roleplay!  Do not constantly 'call for a guard' in future such calls will be ignored - roleplay a situation out or use the Spirit to send a brief summary of the issue.  Rescues are BAD - they are the biggest source of OOC drama - avoid doing them.  Recommend faction/tribe leaders meet regularly to come to a general agreement?

Other points

(i) Healer role will not be changed
(ii) No plans to introduce 'fuel' for vehicles
(iii) Errors in ammo counts - a consequence of the spirit battlign cheaters - blame the 'must win' types.
(iv) Exchanges on cooking pans etc - no
(v)  Introduce script counter/nagger - no.
(vi) Baron will look at speed issue around harvesting
(vii) Custom Amazon Weapons only - No.
(viii) Inconsistency around value of strawberries - will be investigated
(ix) Snake quest not working - will be investigated solved
(x) Boomerang eating arrows under some circumstances - will be looked at
(xi) Will consider reintroducing 'trials'
(xii) Will consider reintroducing bitey bugs
(xiii) Will look at reintroducing big cats for hunting


[13:06:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would like to introduce a small rule before we start. so we don't end up in chaos
[13:07:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Baron and i will report the things that have been brought to our attnetion and our thoughts on them
[13:07:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): theafterwards we will encurage you to give feedback
[13:07:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): BUT
[13:07:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): don't start then to simply type along.. because that wii be the chaos
[13:07:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): make a @ sign
[13:07:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, you want to say something, send an @
[13:07:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then do nOT send your text, wait til you are called
[13:08:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that way we keep an order in the discussion
[13:08:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that was the rule :)
[13:08:11] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:08:15] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I have one thing to add
[13:09:03] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Please try to resist makign amusing side comments, no matter how great the temptation may be :-)  It makes it really hard to follow the discussion - and please turn off any devices / pets/ add-ons that spam local chat
[13:09:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and spangle?
[13:09:39] Spangle Xenno: just testing the button :)
[13:09:40] Spangle Xenno: sorry
[13:09:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[13:09:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, let us start..
[13:09:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we got plenty of feedback, really lots...
[13:10:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is a wonderful thing, as it shows you are all very involved
[13:10:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you for that feedback
[13:10:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we were wading today through the amount of notecards IMs and mouthpiece messages and structured them
[13:10:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we found some topics concerned more than one person they have been brought up by different poeple
[13:11:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and some topics were only broguht up by one person. eitehr way we removed the names...
[13:11:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so it won't be like "John suggested that...
[13:11:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will simply report what we got and our view on it
[13:11:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now let me dig my notes..
[13:11:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, we made two groups..
[13:11:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): actually three
[13:12:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): first group: things we can discuss quickly
[13:12:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): second group: things we maybe discuss more
[13:12:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): third gorup: things we will not do
[13:12:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, 1 and 3 are settled fast
[13:13:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if your idea or suggestion is in group three, don't fret. we don't turn it down because we are too lazy or ignorant
[13:13:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but lets start with group 1 of input
[13:13:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): first: object spam.
[13:13:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people asked  if we can reduce the text feedback by certain items, so that there will be less chat by them
[13:14:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Proposal:- reduce the amount of ‘message spam’ from items like the coin exchanger, fishing rods, pick axes etc. Agreed?
[13:14:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): would you like that we do that? or do you want the spam ?
[13:14:22] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:14:23] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[13:14:26] BlackWidow (karmalove32): @
[13:14:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): spangle?
[13:14:32]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): @
[13:14:32] Catten (catten.carter) left chat range.
[13:14:35] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): @
[13:14:37] Spangle Xenno: keep the chat from the coin exchange, but rest can go i think
[13:14:40] LT. Stewart (stewie.seda) entered chat range (15.51 m).
[13:14:42] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): @
[13:14:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): riff?
[13:15:08] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[13:15:11] Riff (riffmaker.xue): there is options in your veiwer all ready to prevent this happening if yu want
[13:15:24] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto) entered chat range (14.48 m).
[13:15:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh? i did not know that ! :)
[13:15:38] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[13:15:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): where, riff?
[13:15:52] Riff (riffmaker.xue): preferances
[13:16:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): sweet as..
[13:16:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you
[13:16:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Blackwidow?
[13:16:20] Diedra Quartz: @
[13:16:30] Riff (riffmaker.xue): Firestomr tab ,protection , enable spam protection , check it
[13:16:36] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): bw crashed i think
[13:16:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[13:16:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah ok..
[13:16:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tytanica?
[13:16:54]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): wondering if spam reduction  for preserving machine could be done but if there are options will do that else i agreed with spangle
[13:17:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:17:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marcus?
[13:17:13] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): I agree with Spangle coin exchange is good the rest could be cut down. Maybe the nc's for the bananas too :)
[13:17:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:17:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nna?
[13:17:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Anna
[13:17:32] Vivienne Schell: only if teh bananas buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
[13:17:34] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): i agree with spangle too
[13:17:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you .. Rae ?
[13:17:50] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Viv - please don't make side coments - it interrupts
[13:17:58] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): i dont mind the chat
[13:18:03] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): just dont want ncs
[13:18:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[13:18:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo ?
[13:18:08] Tetsuo Sumoku: maybe switchable /silent ?
[13:18:09] LT. Stewart (stewie.seda): ((maybe we need to take any unnecessary things off like weapons and such to bring the lag down during the meeting))
[13:18:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you :)
[13:18:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Diedra?
[13:18:59] ACheck: Arevva is online
[13:19:01] Diedra Quartz: I do not like so much of the spam  , maybe reduced, and if the preferances work that would be fine
[13:19:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Stewie maybe we need to keep the protocol, if you make unaksed comments, even if in odouble brackets, it is harder for us to keep track of the list of people who want to say something, so, make an @ if you want to say something and wait until we call you, thank you
[13:19:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok Diedra :)
[13:20:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite that was the feedback to object spam, Baron and i wil think about it more and come up with something that mirrors your feedback
[13:20:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): next point
[13:20:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): fishing rods
[13:20:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): those who are with us since a while know we had rods
[13:20:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then spears
[13:20:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then rods
[13:20:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the newer ones asked then "oh, but we woul dlike spars too!" :)
[13:20:56] Ethereal Jandali (etherealsoliloquy) left chat range.
[13:20:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so ok, we will make spears.. soon. .as alternative to rods
[13:21:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): next point:
[13:21:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): visual spam
[13:21:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are talking aobut camp signs, vendor signs, announcements, wanted posters, etc
[13:21:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): our suggestion is:
[13:22:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will return silently anything that is not from Baron or me. within 20 meters of a teleport point
[13:22:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): in addition we would then ask that announcements of whatever kind stick to the camp of the announcer
[13:22:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): not .. "1x landing, 1x love temple, 1x here and there"
[13:22:49] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[13:22:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): what are your thoughts on that?
[13:22:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:23:19] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): @
[13:23:20]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): @
[13:23:23] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:23:24] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): @
[13:23:29] Diedra Quartz: @
[13:23:52] Huffy (huffy12389): I think for event like fight club, wanted posters should be okay within certain limits, not putting too many up, and also I think signs announcing camps, or recruitment should not be allowed, we are here to roleplay, recruitment for tribes, or announcements of camps should be roleplayed
[13:24:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:24:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marcus?
[13:24:39] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): I think your suggestion is a good one and I agree they need to be limited
[13:24:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thanks :) and Tytanica ?
[13:24:59]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): Be nice to have a board for wanted posters maybe near the landing, like k'wik market had you could rent a spot for free for three days for your image... agree to vendor spam being away from tp's and agree with Huffy
[13:25:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) and Spangle?
[13:25:21] Spangle Xenno: maybe a couple of 'info hubs' for people to get  latests news, blue house and the trader hut in Rio Tapajos maybe
[13:25:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite :) and Anna ?
[13:25:43] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): i agree also , its not a advertisement area here, i think though that recrutiment posters of tribes are fine if they are like really next to their base
[13:25:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good :) and Diedra?
[13:25:59] Diedra Quartz: Can the amount of camp signs be limited as well?
[13:26:06] SpeakFriend: @
[13:26:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes.
[13:26:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and SpeakFriend?
[13:26:23] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[13:26:49] SpeakFriend: Can RP signs be allowed outside of camps?  eg, near hunting grounds from WWF and their detractors?
[13:27:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Roleplay signs, ys. like "oil spill" or "wwf protected area" yes
[13:27:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo ?
[13:27:49] Tetsuo Sumoku: Maybe event signs can auto die?  IC RP signs are fine as long as they serve a purpose and dont turn into litter..
[13:28:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right :)
[13:28:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good that was our list for this topic, we will copy all your input into our paper piles and then come up with something..
[13:28:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there waere some good points
[13:28:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): let me see next topic
[13:29:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vendors for amazon items.. like fruit, shake, soup etc
[13:29:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): should these be limite dtot he camp of the person? what are your thoughts on that?
[13:29:41] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[13:29:42] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): @
[13:29:42]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): @
[13:29:44] Diedra Quartz: @
[13:29:54] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): @
[13:29:57] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[13:30:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rae has the floor :)
[13:30:19] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): should be a designated area, or yes they should be
[13:30:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) and Anna ?
[13:30:39] Bruce Tearfall left chat range.
[13:30:41] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): definitely.....i think that considering that the jungle gets really full now with suporters, ppl should try to stick building /rezzing at one spot and not spam lowprim stuff all over the places
[13:31:16] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:31:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right. on that note . i would love to buy another sim but the price market for grandfathered full rgion is insanely overpriced.. as soon as that is back to normal we may grow again
[13:31:29] Vivienne Schell: @
[13:31:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tytanica ?
[13:31:42]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): Yes they should, else every supporter could rightfully follow suit and dump vendors at places i felt inparticular the landscape and intrusion of love temple being turned into a shop was not cute, and needs culling
[13:32:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) and Diedra ?
[13:32:03] Diedra Quartz: yes, should be limited to camps not all over the place
[13:32:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) Marcus?
[13:32:19] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): I know it's extra work for the Baron, but maybe when a trader is selected, a place for their table should be set and they have to stay withing that area. Especially the love temple market
[13:32:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) Tetsuo ?
[13:32:37] Tetsuo Sumoku: Agree.  In owners camp or designated vendor area(s)
[13:32:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok. that is the speaker list for this topic, the vote is pretty clear
[13:33:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will take care of that
[13:33:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): alrite..
[13:33:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then we have topics, that i wil just mention in one line.. let me copy...
[13:34:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Super Jumpers. and Non-lethal animals fighting.
[13:34:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): both fall for me under "dickhead"
[13:34:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if there are people using them -> limbo
[13:34:29] Vivienne Schell: @
[13:34:30] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:34:44] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[13:34:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. i see raised hands :)
[13:34:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[13:34:54] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[13:35:02] Vivienne Schell: i´d let them use jetpacks, but ONLY nude
[13:35:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[13:35:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Spangle?
[13:35:15] Spangle Xenno: i agree, no more super jumpers and Olympic swimmers too while we are at it -make all all wildlife yellow dot
[13:35:24]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): @
[13:35:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo?
[13:35:36] Tetsuo Sumoku: Agree rule #2
[13:35:39] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): @
[13:35:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Huffy?
[13:35:48] aponι (jojo.westerlow): @
[13:35:49] Katie BigHeart (katiebgf): @
[13:35:55] ϝҽɱƙҽ (femke.peccable): @
[13:36:05] Huffy (huffy12389): Like the swim hud, jumpers are just another way people use them to "win", if people need to use jumpers let em. I already refuse to playw ith anyone who can swim twice the speed I can swim, or jump like a tick
[13:36:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): woah ithought that is a whambam topic :D
[13:36:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite..
[13:36:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tytanica?
[13:36:29]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): Ban the invisible parachutes too designed to not lose health and cheat that system maybe make a real high jump lose more HP than already does
[13:36:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah yes.. ok
[13:36:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Marcus?
[13:36:51] ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Agreed to super jumpers, is it fair to ask what needs to be done to prove someone is?
[13:37:02] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[13:37:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): best is really you use gyazo or something like that.. we do NOT arrest on the first message "XX uses a superjumper" but we get similar reports on different days from different peole? then the name is surely on our list and prone to be jailed
[13:37:51] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[13:37:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aponi?
[13:38:00] aponι (jojo.westerlow): No tiny avi's like one been running around, completely unfair fighting since it's being done to have a smaller hit box (so I was told by the person doing it)
[13:38:11] Syd (syd.straaf): @
[13:38:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): I don't know if the hitbox is really smaller but yes these tiny avis are a pita
[13:38:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Katie?
[13:38:28] Katie BigHeart (katiebgf): Don't turn all wildlife yellow . There are a lot that just want to explore the jungle and be here and do nobody harm.
[13:38:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) Femke?
[13:38:41] ϝҽɱƙҽ (femke.peccable): same concern as maccus the proof of use
[13:38:51] Vivienne Schell: @
[13:39:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like what i said :) you can be sure if i read a name of a person on two days in a row at my mornign coffee, the person has my unshared attention
[13:39:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Riff?
[13:40:06] Riff (riffmaker.xue): agree with yt and also there is many ways to stop them , from region avie script limiters to also searching the person via cam for what there wearing too , but the ragion avi script limiter is a huge plus in my view
[13:40:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will get to the script limiter later
[13:40:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:40:39] Huffy (huffy12389): How about we just let the system jump be applicable, the fall damage is sketchy at best. sometimes it works most time it doesn't. So that would rid the parachutes, along with complexity since most are sculpted chutes, and go back to letting people jump using a normal jump and not limiting it. Ive had plenty of instances i've been yanked on a leash and been downed because of the fall dmg mod. Yeah it was making it more realitic, and was pretty funny when it first came out, but like I said it rarely works
[13:40:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and, riff.. i prefer Tantrica :)
[13:41:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) and Syd
[13:41:26] Syd (syd.straaf): I'm not fond of high jumpers, but what are the high jump mushrooms for if using them makes you a dickhead?
[13:41:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they are only a limited time working and you need to dig for them, roleplay aobut them whatever..
[13:41:59] Diedra Quartz: @
[13:42:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[13:42:04] Vivienne Schell: if anyone needs a chute, i have an old freebie, terra e-chute, simple, effective, mod/copy/trans, maybe i can set up a vendor for that. btw, it will do a little damage.
[13:42:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok - and Diedra ?
[13:42:25] Diedra Quartz: Please explain what non lethal animal fighting is? And all wildlife yellow dot is silly. Also if green, who cares how fast they swim?
[13:42:35] Rafa (fazlovecmg): hi everybody
[13:42:55] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[13:42:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there was mentiond.. "fantasy Bunnys" in  the notecards i got
[13:43:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): something like that
[13:43:33] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): @
[13:43:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so people assume costumes you would see maybe in a cartoon show, distract with features that com ewiththat costume (e.g. push weapons, particle cloud thingies) and then disrupt
[13:43:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[13:43:53] Huffy (huffy12389): More towards diedra question, but a chinchila monkey the size of a football, should not be able to kill me, and leash me to pull me away to it's camp
[13:44:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that also.. smaller Avi
[13:44:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right
[13:44:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also i am amazed for example that gorillas speak ASL
[13:44:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): or monkeys
[13:44:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Miyu?
[13:45:26] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): it was answered thank you
[13:45:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh ok :)
[13:45:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): god
[13:45:43] Whispering Wind (maryam.camino): ((what is ASL))
[13:45:43] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): :)
[13:45:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): American Sign Language
[13:45:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): used by deaf
[13:45:53] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[13:45:54] Whispering Wind (maryam.camino): ty
[13:45:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rae?
[13:46:01] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): please do not speak without posting @ first
[13:46:06] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): I think people come to the Amazon one way to get a role, and then change avis. If they do that, they should have to get a role for it, or be what you agreed to be
[13:46:17] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): they didnt come here a tiny avi
[13:47:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes that is certainly an issue, however.. SL wil alway bear an artistic license. and i can really udnerstand people who change their skin colour or hair or whatever.. because.. we can
[13:47:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so.. but it should be somewhat feasible
[13:47:23] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): but
[13:47:26] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[13:47:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes Rae?
[13:47:43] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): wearing a darker skin to be a native
[13:47:52] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): then changing to a lighter skin
[13:47:57] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): should not be allowed
[13:48:14] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[13:48:19] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): or being full size then changing to a mini avi
[13:48:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that exactly is the rason why i at some point canned all roles..
[13:48:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and made them all "Local"
[13:48:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but then people wante tags back..
[13:49:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so.. if i go as seeker and promote someone, i give them native and settler and they can swap, for example
[13:49:05] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[13:49:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Riff?
[13:50:24] Riff (riffmaker.xue): I think the issue is being diluted a little as the reason for the topic was the siize of the avi and why there doing this drastic size difference whch as people who fight we all know why , so what can be done to stop it is more the point I guess ?
[13:50:41] Spangle Xenno: @
[13:51:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if people go for a smaller avi  to engage in fights - > #2 - dickheads - limbo
[13:51:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and we will not go for th ebenfit of the doubt
[13:51:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if they are small and in battle -> limbo
[13:52:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo?
[13:52:25] Tetsuo Sumoku: There are a large number of light skinned natives in the actual amazon, I would cut a little slack on that one.  Now if you are trying to join a tribe, they may of other requirements... Just cap all the rule 2 violators....daily.. :D
[13:52:53] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[13:53:02] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): @
[13:53:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite :) that makes a full limbo :) and indeed, amazon is not africa.. we also may encoutner people with fair skin there..
[13:53:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara?
[13:53:22] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): Well what ever changes people decide to do to their avs should be up to them, people chose different hair styles,hair colors, change shapes, even be animals, should not matter what tag you have
[13:54:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): they can be a bit sensible.. being blue eyed, blonde and all pale .. then wearing the tag "native" might jarr
[13:54:23] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): yes i agree with that
[13:54:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle ?
[13:54:33] Spangle Xenno: more of a statement i guess == i often change my role, i am default a native, but i will also dress as a settler, or be a feral child or maybe a something quite random, i like variety, normally its fine, but i do get silly OOC questions now and then from some who cant see past my name tag and see a new character
[13:54:41] T ღ K (tinal96): @
[13:54:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
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[13:54:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rae?
[13:55:03] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): I dont think that is what i mean Tetsuo, but if they could not become a native in a tone, they shouldnt be allowed to change to it
[13:55:18] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): and still be native
[13:55:46] aponι (jojo.westerlow): @
[13:55:48] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok : ) we can easily fix that .. if someone is a native by tag and wants to be pale and all, simply ask a seeker, for an additional settler role
[13:55:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Anna?
[13:55:56] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): if you cap someone for the reason of a grouptag which is a ooc tag that has not even to be read in RP you do the attack for ooc reasons....what does it matter anyway what grouptag someone is wearing as in RP you are not supposed to use this information at all ....its called metagaming
[13:56:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is a valid point. they should not be capped for the tag..
[13:56:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): capture is IC..
[13:56:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): a guard arresting someone is OOC and we actually don't arrest for a tag..
[13:57:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the "toughest" we do is send them back to the wisdom cave, and that only if they get mouthy and smartassy about it
[13:57:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tina ?
[13:57:18] T ღ K (tinal96): Why is it that people have problems seeing light skinned natives but are quite ok with wild dangerous animals talking and interacting like friends with humans and with each other- it makes no sense. If you don't like light skinned natives then don't let them into your tribes.
[13:57:32] Vivienne Schell: open inventory and watch the progress of "loading inventory"
[13:57:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is what i meant also with ASL :)
[13:57:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aponi?
[13:57:48] aponι (jojo.westerlow): I agree with Rae, a native should be able to turn into a rabbit, ant or whatever their role doesn't apply. If they no longer are in that role yet they carry weapons of a human/native
[13:57:53] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Vivienne - please stop with the side comments and use @
[13:57:58] aponι (jojo.westerlow): shouldn't*
[13:58:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[13:58:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aaaand that .. concludes the list on this topic..
[13:58:39] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. .if people want to gain advantage on battles by using different avatars..
[13:58:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rule #2
[13:59:07] Kylie (kyliessl): Hello all
[13:59:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if people change appearance, cut them some slack.. don't be too hung up agout it, if it is your tribe, then it is your business
[13:59:31] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if it is general amazon appearance, then let the roam .. unless it is not too painful, like bling shoes, full bright hair and other cruelties
[13:59:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if its ugly, it is ugly
[13:59:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and should be adressed
[14:00:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, topics that need more imnput from you..
[14:00:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as we got them as "requests"
[14:00:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): first.
[14:00:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Shooting with no RP
Is this a widespread issue - how can it be dealt with if so?
[14:01:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ((and i ned 5 minutes RL, i shall hurry back))
[14:01:25] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Raise your hands now to get on the list :-)
[14:01:35] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[14:01:37] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[14:01:44] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[14:01:46] Spangle Xenno: @
[14:01:48] Vivienne Schell: @
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[14:02:51] Dev the Shaman (mrwebdev.gastel): @
[14:03:06] Dev the Shaman (mrwebdev.gastel): <-@ comment not list
[14:03:38] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[14:03:41] Whispering Wind (maryam.camino): @
[14:03:46]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): @
[14:03:48] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): we don't distinguish between comments and questions Dev
[14:03:57] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[14:04:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) sorry back
[14:04:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): aaand Tetsuo ?
[14:04:54] Tetsuo Sumoku: There really is no way to deal with it, sometimes it is proper and IC, sometimes it is Rule # 2.  I t is a judgment call.  But you should have an IC purpose to your actions.  But really there are plenty of console FPS games out there, if you are not here to RP, why are you here?
[14:05:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) riff ?
[14:06:14] Riff (riffmaker.xue): if the person is doing this on daily basis just fighting people for no reason but to down them then take profit , shuldnt it be a case of bye bye ?
[14:06:35] Syd (syd.straaf): @
[14:06:55] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes indeed it should be so .
[14:07:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara?
[14:07:12] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I think fi people gonna shoot others no rp just for the sake to down them and leave them their, unless if its in a fight and person unable to grab them safely.,  People show want shoot others no role play them should be forced green for a week, and maybe they learn its best to roleplay or don't shoot at people if no interest role playing them.  Because all they doing is breaking rule 2 don't be a dickheads.
[14:07:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:07:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle?
[14:07:38] Spangle Xenno: i have had it happen to me a few times, its no fun to lay there for 5 mins dead for no reason, but more annoying are healers not Rping their healer actions, i am seeing it a lot, a healer role is a good one to have, so i'd like to see them doing it with more enthusiasm, and ask first before leaping in to heal someone, too often i've had them pounce uninvited
[14:07:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[14:08:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne ?
[14:08:05] Vivienne Schell: what is meant? roleplay BEFORE shooting or AFTER shootin? roleplay BEFORE shooting is pretty useless inan CARP environment, imho. after downing someone one should try to rp the aftermath, but that´s not always possible. wsoecially when the predator gets shot by other guys around, which happens all the time. i think debating this is like dancing on architecture. and yes, beating coins out of someone and nothing else is roleplay , too. maybe a guideline is enough...TRY to roleplay an aftermath. but more is not realistic.
[14:08:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i am fine with roleplay after..
[14:08:35] Spangle Xenno: @
[14:08:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because first announcing "hey i am going to snipe you now" is pointless
[14:09:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): though i also have to say here: roleplay after i have seen often just a firing up of some copy/pasted lines that cover like "i remove now here all your weapons..." from a notecard
[14:09:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would wish there more effort, yes
[14:09:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dev?
[14:09:25] Dev the Shaman (mrwebdev.gastel): I must leave, although I am very interested in the discussions here today. Is there any chance that people who could not attend get a NC of topics discussed and such?
[14:09:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe we will place a transcript on the website.
[14:09:59] Dev the Shaman (mrwebdev.gastel) nods
[14:10:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if i don't make too many embarrassing typos :)
[14:10:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[14:10:10] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I usually correct them :p
[14:10:15] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): My vision is, however many of us like combat, the game here is a role-playing game. This involves learning from every instance ... losing and winning. The attacks only to attack generate more problems and more anger, cant stand loosing spoil all the experience... so the thing could be, only when a roleplay line needs some attack, is ok. But start fights just for spending bullets just makes this worst.
[14:10:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you are so sweet lover :)
[14:10:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:10:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Whispering?
[14:10:55] Whispering Wind (maryam.camino): shooting without rp can be annoying, but rping anouncing shooting is boring, i think is real shooting in a sudden without warning. no fun... now i approach, sheath my aepon and i will shoot .... boring
[14:11:09] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[14:11:19] Whispering Wind (maryam.camino): but is true people has to have some common sense to do it, some people do it repeatadly and gain and agan and their rp is alwsy same, shoor rape shoot rape
[14:11:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): hence: roleplay after shooting is fine and should suffice. and yah, if you want to down a person, have a plan what to do with that person after downing and be creative about it, indeed
[14:11:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tytanica?
[14:12:05] Vivienne Schell: @
[14:12:38]  ღ Tytaníca (connieg.sorbet): Not something I really experience, if its a big battle with allies etc
should not be expected, I think if somebody shoots you once or twice and no rp then well you know who it was. if its a like a non big battle and a  full down and they don't rp Have someone write you a morning coffee note  maybe tell them you will  send a mentor their way to follow them around..eheh
[14:13:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) Huffy?
[14:13:04] Huffy (huffy12389): i think for that aspect, repeat offenders should be more than just jailed, or demoted. This sim is made primarily for roleplay, not fighting. The fighting is just to enhance the roleplay, it doesn't really need to be here honestly if people could rp. Anyways. I think weekly, or monthly bans should be in place aside for repeat offenders. When i get told of countless times people use the self drowning, or sim line crossings to get out of a "loss" situtaion,  to have them return minutes later fighting again and not only is it known by more than one person it's a continuing situation they need to have harsher punishments for it. And as for the rp bans between people, and then shooting them just because it's not something the amazon endorses is crap. if two people can't get along with each other then they need to avoid each other, if they dont wanna play with someone thats fine, the other person should respect that and not shoot them for the hell of it because they know they wont rp with em, which should also be
[14:13:04] Huffy (huffy12389):  considered for the above ways of punishment that is ooc.
[14:13:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): woah wall of text !
[14:14:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't believe in roleplay bans..  i would like to think we can deal all well with each other, and those who can't i am sorting out..  "my way"
[14:14:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:14:32] Syd (syd.straaf): An awful lot of us consider the fighting to be part of the rp, not just the thing you do before it. Part of my role as a Raider is raiding, not just the capture afterwards. I'm not saying there shouldn't be rp after but the fight shouldn't be discounted just because it's a fight and not talking.
[14:15:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the fight has its place :) that is why we have yellow in the first place, agreed :)
[14:15:06] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle?
[14:15:08] Spangle Xenno: some rp before is fun, and can give a reason for a fight, but shoot on sight gets tedious when it happens everyday, not saying make it compulsory, but maybe if someone has no weapon drawn, they should be seen of as in a 'peaceful state' and safe to approach,, but with the risk of a fight breaking out,,  still, its a tricky subject,
[14:15:24] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto) nods
[14:15:42] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[14:15:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can udnerstand if someone wants to be "the evil sniper" - but yes, these people need seriously then to come up with really good roleplay afterwards, or it is indeed tedious
[14:16:12] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): @
[14:16:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also they should not shoot pepole who are very obviously busy
[14:16:18] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like with cuddling or more
[14:16:24] Spangle Xenno: nods
[14:16:25] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[14:16:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is what i would call "imposing"
[14:16:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[14:17:11] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): The unwanted intromissions in the middle of story lines .... that spoils all
[14:17:16] Vivienne Schell: @
[14:17:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes..
[14:17:27] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): people should really learn:
[14:17:28] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((You are on the list Vivienne))
[14:17:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): imposing is a really bad habit!
[14:17:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): there are many ways to impose.. one for example every seeker knows goes like this:
[14:18:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): seeker is busy with something.. and really busy.. suddenly an explorer turns up and is all puishy about being promoted.. be it via roleplay or not, does no tmatter they push there "i am here an dnow promote me" by all means into the ongoing roleplay
[14:18:35] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and the same is when someone shoots othe rpeople who are busy
[14:18:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the message sent is then:#
[14:18:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): "i don't care aobut your roleplay, i shot you now, now rolepla y with me"
[14:19:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that is.. most impolite
[14:19:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[14:19:18] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[14:19:28] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto) nods
[14:19:34] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): You are on the list Zahara as is Miyu
[14:19:53] Vivienne Schell: whisper, then simply avoid the people who play something you dislike. or down them before they down you. and huffy, you participated in gang shootings as well and did not really care much if someone was down for three minutes, cause everyone else kept you busy  with shooting at you. and spangle, if you don´t like that someone shoots at you on first sight, don´t mess with him or her before :)
[14:20:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, Zahara ?
[14:20:39] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I kind of agree with spangle idea, not very often works for me I go for a walk i usually running back home, also be nice if other people see others in a rp they respect it not disturb it  unless they were part the fight to start with not coming in half hour later, with armies of peoples.
[14:20:52] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[14:20:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes.
[14:21:07] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): being late in a fight should be "you are out"
[14:21:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Miyu?
[14:21:38] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): Of course, Tytanica, Syd and Z are right about that, however, if you have no reason to be there and down someone and fly off, how do you handle being capped by someone you were actually fighting?
[14:21:55] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): meaning an interloper
[14:22:14] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you are captured, forget the "before"
[14:22:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): play with what is thrown at you
[14:22:29] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and try to make the best of it
[14:22:50] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[14:22:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[14:23:15] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): Viv, not sure if this is a accusation instance meeting... better try to build a better mood enviroment for all . About the central idea, despite most of us likes to shoot... that bring us just anger... better thing in something else, stop accusations and play
[14:23:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Rae :)
[14:23:33] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): better think*
[14:24:04] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): along with what Miyu is should not have to deal with that. being downed during your rp is not with the rp you are engaged in, so why should u have to deal with it
[14:24:15] dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[14:24:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, the thing is this:
[14:25:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you are downed and you claim instantly "invalid" then we are soon like many other roleplay palces who only moderate and rule .. and forget to play
[14:25:28] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[14:25:41] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): @
[14:25:49] Syd (syd.straaf): @
[14:25:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, first and foremost try to roleplay  . i also do it, even when iam downed while shagging,. i may be annoyed, i may be agressive, but, i roleplay.. first
[14:26:10] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and only when it is then a total prick who has no clue,. i get really mad
[14:26:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but, first and foremost, try to roleplay  your way out, the call for "guards" or "stricter rules" is tempting but wil only rob you off your roleplay
[14:27:02] T ღ K (tinal96): @
[14:27:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want also at this point remind of two things, that really get me:
[14:27:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the "is a guard around" message.. .. people - we have a help button wher eoyu can descibe the issue..
[14:27:38] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you can't fit it into that small emssage box, don't snd it and dotn bother
[14:27:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): really
[14:27:44] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[14:27:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and the other thing .. i forgot )
[14:27:56] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): anyway.. the list fileld up..
[14:28:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dissi?
[14:28:03] dissi (disisme.misfit): I think that RP prior to combat..while nice....shouldnt be mandated...situational awareness is what makes you get "shot by surprise".....its POST combat RP..the binding....which has to be 2 lines to let BOTH captor and captive share in the RP thats more important. a cut and paste that takes a second and totally gnores the captives RP limits, is......offensive..(and laughs at down while shagging))
[14:28:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[14:28:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[14:28:34] Huffy (huffy12389): i've had another similar situation about rp as well, Someone caps someone, they have them inside thier camp and begin roleplaying, and then suddenly they leave the rp leaving the one captured to sit in silence while the captor goes and trys to capture either the one breaking in, or who walked on the sim and wants to watch from a distance away. I feel thats wrong in general and leave people with no rp.
[14:28:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite..
[14:29:09] Mistral Aries left chat range.
[14:29:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you are the predator, you need to lead the roleplay. if you can't roleplay, don't be predator. your reputation is gone faster than you think
[14:29:19] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[14:29:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Miyu?
[14:30:12] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): to clarify, I meant, that when you are fighitng, and someone comes a long and shots you down and your foe then has you capped, the shooter is gone, not involved in rp
[14:30:24] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): nowords, just gone, not in the fight
[14:30:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): roleplay along.
[14:30:30] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): we do
[14:30:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if someone is near you to roleplay with, roleplay. keep the name of the shooter in mind, follow up, down them, .. roleplay with them afterwards
[14:31:10] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[14:31:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i observed lately in general this tendency that people call for help .. where  they can roleplay the situation. nly of that othe rone is really not capapble to play, file a request via help or mouthpiece  but again not "i need a guard".. i will also make it known in the staff gorup that we wil lnto even answer anymore to "need a guard"
[14:32:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syd?
[14:32:25] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[14:32:33] Syd (syd.straaf): People need to stop looking at it as "have" to rp and start looking at it as "get" to rp -- regardless of if you won or lost the fight. RP is why we're all here, so try to enjoy it even if you weren't expecting it or think it was particularly fair.
[14:32:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right. good point. roleplay things out
[14:33:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have already been captured by situations where i would really wonder "wtf ?"
[14:33:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): still, i try to play it. because playing that is a lot more fun than discussing OOC
[14:33:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tina?
[14:33:38] T ღ K (tinal96): I think it is ok to impose yourself in other peoples RP as long as you RP your way in. If they do not want you involved then they can RP you out - read the hints in their RP and act accordingly seekers work their way into RP all the time - no reason everyone can't do the same
[14:34:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes, if you "impose gentle" then that may work
[14:34:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rae?
[14:35:07] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): nvm
[14:35:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): oh that was short :)
[14:35:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara?
[14:35:25] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): With people leaving a rp to deal with someone breaking into a camp, I feel it is okay as why would person keep rping when someone breaking in where they can be capped themselves, I seen someone lock pick doors rps going on then army people come running in as doors are open.  And as long as another person in the base role playing with caps still going on, should not matter who rps with caps when caught.  While door pickers being dealt with..
[14:35:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:35:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Riff?
[14:36:17] Riff (riffmaker.xue): are all these points that are been oked going to be in a Global set rules and if broken then what ?
[14:36:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i have no idea yet :)
[14:36:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the purpose here is to get a feel how the amazon ticks
[14:36:51] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): @
[14:36:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): also for you to be sure how others look at stuff
[14:37:11] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will not make more rules than #1 and #2...
[14:37:27] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason) nods
[14:37:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but these meetings .. can be of help, a guidance, for guards for example on how to react on situations that arise
[14:37:46] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[14:38:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we won't make a list of rules and banable offenses, it is on an indivual case by case judgement.. and i really refuse to nanny roleplay.. i rather go with fire on fire and extinguish conflicts that way..
[14:38:22] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): which .. according to our trafic, actually works
[14:38:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, take from this meeting how peopl elook at things.. and it is all in a flow, we may meet more often
[14:38:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo?
[14:38:59] Tetsuo Sumoku: Just keep it IC, if your captor leaves you chained in the basement while they go shopping, so be it.  If he goes to another universe.  You are free..  If they come back have a story for your escape, not a requirement, just to be nice...
[14:39:20] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right.. if you are captured, and your captor leaves...
[14:39:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you can make up a whatever story why you also were able to leave...
[14:39:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): no one forces you to stare at your pixelbody with no action in your sparetime
[14:40:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but have a small sory at least why you left, how you left, send it as IM to your captor
[14:40:09] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): *story
[14:40:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Anna?
[14:40:17] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): maybe it would be a good idea to set like a limit of time ppl have to give captors/captives for rp BEFORE interfering by any rescue 30 minutes or so
[14:40:36] αииα  (anastasia.lowenhar): think thats always a thing that causes lots of anger
[14:40:50] Spangle Xenno: @
[14:41:00] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[14:41:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would like to see that there are no rescues.
[14:41:12] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rescues are one of the biggest anger issues here
[14:41:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and they happen for actualyl two reasons:
[14:41:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 1. the captured person "Must win" - or...
[14:41:50] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): 2. the "person that comes to rescue" wants to impose roleplay "me too, roleplaywith me now!"
[14:41:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): both poor
[14:42:01] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[14:42:12] Huffy (huffy12389): Dealing with people lockpicking a door should not be any of your worries if you are inside of a building or cave and rping with a captive. Unless you have xray vision you should not know someone is on the other side of a door, unless you have cctv and cameras up which I see none of the camps in the amazon having such a thing, so the excuse of lockpicking and leaving an rp to go defend should not even be an excuse. its an "I must win" condition.
[14:42:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i want also to note at this point:
[14:42:57] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): did you notice how much time we spend on "yellow" topics? and how little time we had to discuss on "green" ?
[14:43:17] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): still too many people who are yellow have this testosterone issue
[14:43:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, i can only repeat what i wrote in the rp begnner cave:
[14:43:35] Riff (riffmaker.xue): @
[14:43:42] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yellow is NOT about winning. .it is ONLY "roleplay with other tools"
[14:43:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): do not go into a fight with the purpose to win
[14:43:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if you do that, just leave
[14:43:59] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): it won't make you happy nor us
[14:44:02] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I can think of better ways to use testosterone than fighting
[14:44:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rawwr!
[14:44:16] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): raaawrs  back :p
[14:44:21] ςнαđ (chad.sheriffe) nods
[14:44:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Spangle
[14:44:24] Spangle Xenno: i agree with Anna, if a rescue hasnt been called  via RP,  it shouldnt happen,  calling for help  with a undeclared IM is bad play, if i am locked in a cave, nobody outside would know i am in there, we cant see thru rock ( i never call for help, but it still happens)
[14:44:47] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[14:44:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[14:45:00] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): every capture includes the comm devices... and Huffy says, to rescue someone we cannot see or we dont know is captured is weird... before Syd said, we are here to play.. wining loosing, better play and dont go in to stupid ooc argues.
[14:45:11] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): That rescue need is weird
[14:45:23] Meg Madrigal: @
[14:45:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): right, hence i would really love to see rescues being stopped altogether.
[14:45:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Riff?
[14:45:51] Gianutto Jandali (gianutto) nods
[14:46:24] Diedra Quartz: @
[14:47:28] Diedra Quartz: Sometimes you can roleplay a rescue by offering coins or... but then how would anyone be able to talk to the capturer to offer?
[14:47:29] Vivienne Schell: @
[14:47:54] Riff (riffmaker.xue): loyalty to a tribe or clan is part of rp , having to deal with people who have no loyalty and want to just fight to cap people to release there testosterome or how ever you wish to think  of it is a thing we have to deal with daily . if the rp cave rule is to be thought of then knowin ghow pew pew minds think they have free will to do as thety please because of no barrier to stop them
[14:48:11] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): Diedra - wait to be called please
[14:48:24] Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[14:48:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite.. and again. if you feel a roleplay jarrs with you.. try to carry it on, and if there is no point ,file a request, detailed.
[14:49:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like "xy always comes to the rescue, downs everyone, then leaves
[14:49:23] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok.. Meg?
[14:49:28] Meg Madrigal: re rescue rp,  visibily seeing someone captured and dragged off,  it is perfectly reasonalbe for friends, tribe, allies to organize a rescue.  or having a prearrange distress signal that the person in troub.e was able to send in rp.   these make sense as rescue to me (and have ddone them)
[14:49:45] Huffy (huffy12389): @
[14:50:13] Huffy (huffy12389): ignore that @
[14:50:21] dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[14:50:40] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[14:50:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i would say if it occurs in plain sight, cool, have at it.. with "signals"  i would be careful.. . i recall "Gor" having "messenger birds", makes me cringe in pain each time i rad that "trained birds that always find their way to the home stone" BS :)
[14:50:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Diedra?
[14:51:25] Meg Madrigal: thIS was a distres flag at the market :)
[14:51:26] Diedra Quartz: sorry about reading screen wrong before ,  my queston was  Please explain what non lethal animal fighting is? And all wildlife yellow dot is silly. Also if green, who cares how fast they swim?
[14:51:32] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:51:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah we were tehre diedra :)
[14:52:00] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we are three topics further now :)
[14:52:05] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[14:52:06] Diedra Quartz: ahh copy ppaste took wrong thing
[14:52:16] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok then you can repost :)
[14:52:27] Diedra Quartz: pass, giggles
[14:52:30] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[14:52:34] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[14:52:38] Vivienne Schell: the rescue is not really a problem, the problem is generated  by guys who collect twelve or more people to go after the two or three captors and crash sims by doing so.  otherwise it solves itself. it´s pretty useless to start a rescue action with one against 4 or 5.
[14:52:54] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well, you can eitehr skip rescues or not
[14:53:13] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but you can't do "rescues only if.. conditoin 1 and 2 and 3 b are met and on thrusdays and only with x people
[14:53:21] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the only thing that works is:
[14:53:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): simple
[14:53:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, skip rescues, or don't skip tthem, i won't make a rule about that either way..
[14:53:43] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can only recommend how you drive your roleplay
[14:53:47] Vivienne Schell nods
[14:54:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and any agreement you make between you that comes with "ok, we allow this and that.. but ..." is useless right at the word "but"
[14:54:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): if the agreement has more than two sentences, it is ueless two
[14:54:26] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo ?
[14:54:27] Tetsuo Sumoku: Just keep it IC and all will be fine.  There are many times I have said that I can not come, I have no way to know where you are.  If you need to go OOC...Really?
[14:54:36] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite
[14:54:41] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dissi?
[14:54:46] dissi (disisme.misfit): who is important enough to rescue?  A healer?  a leader?....who is worth the risk of 4 or 5 losses, for that one person?  if you only have 1 healer, and they are capped, that might seem important...who will heal you if yuo lose?  I think any rescue, with the numbers involved, is kinda a stretch of viable military logic
[14:55:02] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[14:55:04] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara?
[14:55:08] Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I feel if people, feel the need to rescue friends as they saw it fine.  However if they are downed, then they should not be whining and crying about being downed.  If can not take a down stay out the fight.  i have had friends of caps  attemtpt rescues some work some do not,  when they dont work usually that person nothing but ooc and they get kicked out role play.
[14:57:10] BlackWidow (karmalove32): What@
[14:57:18] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): @
[14:57:19] Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): ((I guess an RL interruption ))
[14:57:37] BlackWidow (karmalove32): @
[14:58:08] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite :) yes.. sorry :)
[14:58:15] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant) whispers: Blackwidow?
[14:58:19] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Blackwidow?
[14:58:19] BlackWidow (karmalove32): what can we do about healers/shaman/medic who aren't even in factions that are constantly intervening with RP
[14:58:33] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): shoot them ? :)
[14:58:52] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): .
[14:58:58] ςнαđ (chad.sheriffe) laughs
[14:59:14] BlackWidow (karmalove32): good enough, but it's hard because of their extra HP
[14:59:28] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): life can be tough but they can't use ranged weapons :)
[14:59:33] BlackWidow (karmalove32): nods
[14:59:44] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Rae?
[15:00:19] Rae'Ne (rae.chiwanga): we moved on, that all i wanted to say, no more rescue talk. We will do it thats all
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[15:00:45] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite.. i believe Huffy made a gorup, wher eall faction leaders can exchange their thoughts
[15:00:51] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): brb
[15:01:05] Huffy (huffy12389): i killed that group to make the fight club group
[15:01:23] Huffy (huffy12389): it wasn't used as much as i tried to push it
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[15:02:07] ϝҽɱƙҽ (femke.peccable): ha ha
[15:02:08] Vivienne Schell: @
[15:02:25] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[15:03:04] Vivienne Schell: we´ll have a tribe/gang leader meeting soon, anyway, where the factions can debate the things which are feasible and and and
[15:03:37] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes. .i wold highly recommend that all tribe leaders and faction leaders etc, meet regularly, on an OOC level to agree on common practices
[15:03:43] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): @
[15:03:46] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): or make a gorup for that.. or whateer
[15:04:03] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and hold then all the tribe leaders also OOC accountable for training hteir group members
[15:04:24] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): because opening a group is no tjust "making a gang-tag, and then lingering at the landing to hire a many as popssible"
[15:04:30] Vivienne Schell: i think most discussed here in regards rescue, cap rp and such regarding gangs should be up to the gangs
[15:04:40] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as a tribve leader it is oyur task to teach your tribe members about roleplay and stuff
[15:04:49] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): indeed
[15:04:53] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Miyu?
[15:06:08] Miyu 'Beestinger' (brandgaine): The meeting is in the works, for those of you I have missed please ask me for the NC, and for those who have received, your topics NC and times are needed, please also pass to any leader that asks.  We are still needing a neutral Chairperson
[15:06:58] Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good. thank you Miyu :)
[2017/07/27 15:07:01]  Ethereal Jandali (etherealsoliloquy): @
[2017/07/27 15:07:09]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Ethereal?
[2017/07/27 15:07:19]  Ethereal Jandali (etherealsoliloquy): Huffy is neutral isn't he? He would be perfect.
[2017/07/27 15:07:26]  Vivienne Schell: NOOOO
[2017/07/27 15:08:03]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:08:12]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:08:34]  Vivienne Schell: he´s my upcoming husband, so he isn´t neutral
[2017/07/27 15:08:41]  Vivienne Schell: /me giggles
[2017/07/27 15:08:45]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[2017/07/27 15:08:49]  ϝҽɱƙҽ (femke.peccable): :)
[2017/07/27 15:08:53]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so w e are now 2h in
[2017/07/27 15:09:15]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): this was the list of stuff we discussed. now some of the topics we don't discuss today
[2017/07/27 15:09:30]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will only mention them.. no @ needed as .. yah we don't discuss today :)
[2017/07/27 15:09:49]  Dean Decencydefied (dean4225): @
[2017/07/27 15:10:03]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): changes to the healer role : no, it works as far as we know and see. some may abuse it, if they do. then use the mouthpiece or help
[2017/07/27 15:10:05]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ....
[2017/07/27 15:10:08]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes.. Dean?
[2017/07/27 15:10:13]  Dean Decencydefied (dean4225): I have seen animals sticking to your body and attacking, no matter how much you run or jump, using a follow HUD. Is that allowed?
[2017/07/27 15:10:44]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rule #2
[2017/07/27 15:10:56]  Dean Decencydefied (dean4225): Thanks!
[2017/07/27 15:11:16]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): option to fuel cars or work for fguel or such - overengineering
[2017/07/27 15:11:31]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): you almust butchred us when we had the idea that people need to eat..
[2017/07/27 15:11:42]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i don't want to imagine what you do when we ask for cars to be fueled
[2017/07/27 15:12:02]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): several error messages about "you collect too fast" or "two arrows deducted"..
[2017/07/27 15:12:04]  dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[2017/07/27 15:12:11]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): well collected too fast? colelct slower
[2017/07/27 15:12:16]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:12:35]  Diedra Quartz: @
[2017/07/27 15:12:50]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rrors in ammo count? blame those who want to win by all means. we have worked a lot to make the HUD less cheatable, and sometiems it comes with a price,. so each time you lose a bullet, say a prayer to the "must win " people
[2017/07/27 15:12:56]  ღ Sara ღ (saraemily.ceryos): @
[2017/07/27 15:13:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i did mention that these are not discussable topics?
[2017/07/27 15:13:13]  Diedra Quartz: We have no control on how fast some things are collected
[2017/07/27 15:13:19]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): A number of people have expressed a lament over buying a supply of cooking pans and fishing spears for their tribe or group, with no way to trade them in for the updated ones.
[2017/07/27 15:13:28]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we can't change that at this point
[2017/07/27 15:13:54]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then one sender wanted to make alist how guards and mentors and admins should have to act and react
[2017/07/27 15:14:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): thank you for the input.
[2017/07/27 15:14:10]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but i see at the moment not an issue there
[2017/07/27 15:14:21]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): then the request for a script counter
[2017/07/27 15:14:48]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): scripts are a fickle topic and not so easy to tackle as all, each and every single crap shit script counter on marketplace wants us to suggest
[2017/07/27 15:15:21]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): for example: all amazon HUDs that you see here at the moment active count as exactly one object on the server load
[2017/07/27 15:15:32]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): mono is the keyword, you can read up on what mono means when you are intersted
[2017/07/27 15:16:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the marketplace script counters ignroe that though, not because the ones who made the script counters are dumb but simply because we don't have the tools to measure that
[2017/07/27 15:16:09]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so they will msijudge and come to false results
[2017/07/27 15:16:21]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i, personally leave any region isntantly that sends me a script nagger
[2017/07/27 15:16:42]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): as in my opinion, these admins have no clue, go for things coz "everyone does" and hence don't desre my traffic points
[2017/07/27 15:17:02]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we restart the regions once per day and on request also twice or so
[2017/07/27 15:17:08]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): that has to suffice
[2017/07/27 15:17:29]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok, that was the list..
[2017/07/27 15:17:40]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now open end. ask stuff .. what you like, but with @
[2017/07/27 15:18:54]  Tetsuo Sumoku: @
[2017/07/27 15:19:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Tetsuo ?
[2017/07/27 15:19:37]  Tetsuo Sumoku: Just that I get the incoming too fast when I harvest.
[2017/07/27 15:19:50]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:19:53]  Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): I will take a look at that - it is already on my list
[2017/07/27 15:20:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[2017/07/27 15:20:03]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:20:04]  Huffy (huffy12389): @
[2017/07/27 15:20:05]  dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[2017/07/27 15:20:09]  Vivienne Schell: what about custom guns for the amazon?
[2017/07/27 15:20:16]  Vivienne Schell: range weapons
[2017/07/27 15:20:19]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah yes, that was a point brought up too
[2017/07/27 15:20:33]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): to can/bin all weapons and only allow amazon made ones
[2017/07/27 15:20:39]  Vivienne Schell: yes
[2017/07/27 15:20:40]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and no, sorry, i won't do that.
[2017/07/27 15:20:53]  Vivienne Schell: ok
[2017/07/27 15:20:57]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i can imagine some folks here having spent a fortune on wepaons, just because they love to colelct them
[2017/07/27 15:21:04]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): nods
[2017/07/27 15:21:06]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and i don't want to tell them sorry guys, you can delete them now
[2017/07/27 15:21:20]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): just play fair :)
[2017/07/27 15:21:27]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Huffy?
[2017/07/27 15:21:29]  Huffy (huffy12389): The strawberries need fixed, but that was an issue I talked to you about already. the strawberries are 3hp when eaten and are needed along with 4 other 1 hp ingredients and smoothies only give 7hp, should be 8 hp from smoothies, or strawberries need to be 2hp
[2017/07/27 15:21:32]  Vivienne Schell: /me thinks of some fair hacks
[2017/07/27 15:21:42]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[2017/07/27 15:21:54]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dissi?
[2017/07/27 15:21:58]  dissi (disisme.misfit): forgot all about this...but..FYI..the door to the snake chramer busted
[2017/07/27 15:22:15]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) i shall check
[2017/07/27 15:22:22]  Milena (laputa.milena): @
[2017/07/27 15:22:27]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Milena?
[2017/07/27 15:22:28]  dissi (disisme.misfit): ((or I am too stupid))
[2017/07/27 15:22:31]  Milena (laputa.milena): Other subject quick comment. Have had a few people here and there comment / complain of one bite crock and other animals that no there anymore, usual healers. I tell talk to mouth of gods, but I no think they do. Point is Seeker can no help with thing like this, go to mouth let feeling and thought known.
[2017/07/27 15:23:04]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:23:16]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yyah we adjust the animals as we go. and sometimes we need time to react, we are working on things though, promised :)
[2017/07/27 15:23:22]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:23:39]  Vivienne Schell: why does the amazon boomerang eat my arrows when i kill nasty crocs wit it?
[2017/07/27 15:23:53]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[2017/07/27 15:23:55]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i will check
[2017/07/27 15:24:00]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[2017/07/27 15:24:05]  Vivienne Schell: it only is "free" once i have no arrows loaded
[2017/07/27 15:24:10]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :)
[2017/07/27 15:24:10]  Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): @
[2017/07/27 15:24:18]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): could be improved the speed and accuracy on that amazon boomerang?
[2017/07/27 15:24:23]  Kɪʀᴀ ʙᴏᴏ キラ  (naughtgelic.kira): @
[2017/07/27 15:24:39]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah the boomerang is meant to be slow :)
[2017/07/27 15:24:39]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): i mean the rate, not m/s
[2017/07/27 15:24:54]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Zahara?
[2017/07/27 15:25:10]  Vivienne Schell: not everythin here is meant ti kill people, gian,not everything
[2017/07/27 15:25:16]  Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): I shoot boomerr rang if you shoot gators less 10 aways not arrows used however if further than 10 aways it will use arrows
[2017/07/27 15:25:24]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[2017/07/27 15:25:25]  Zahara Wildcat Chey (zahara.foxdale): no*
[2017/07/27 15:25:28]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Kira?
[2017/07/27 15:25:56]  Kɪʀᴀ ʙᴏᴏ キラ  (naughtgelic.kira): The boomerang takes arrows if you use it further than 10m away (was explained in the group the other day)
[2017/07/27 15:26:11]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok i will check how to fix that :)
[2017/07/27 15:26:39]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok :) my speakers list is empty!
[2017/07/27 15:26:42]  Spangle Xenno: i think also the boomerang was intended for healers initially, and they cant load shots into the hud, so dont lose any
[2017/07/27 15:26:49]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rite
[2017/07/27 15:27:01]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. my lovely amazonians!
[2017/07/27 15:27:16]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @!
[2017/07/27 15:27:18]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:27:23]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): .. :)
[2017/07/27 15:27:25]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Gianutto?
[2017/07/27 15:27:32]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): we miss the old nice meaty crocs!!!!
[2017/07/27 15:27:43]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): we want them back :)
[2017/07/27 15:27:45]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): /me smiles "ok
[2017/07/27 15:27:50]  dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[2017/07/27 15:27:50]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): and Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:28:05]  Vivienne Schell: what about establishing a trial for the sinners? with a judge, mandatory for accuser and the accused?
[2017/07/27 15:28:13]  Diedra Quartz: @
[2017/07/27 15:28:16]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @
[2017/07/27 15:28:19]  Syrissa Broono: OOooooh
[2017/07/27 15:28:26]  Syrissa Broono: nice one viv
[2017/07/27 15:28:29]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the last two trial attempts faded as people were unable to differe between OOC and IC
[2017/07/27 15:28:34]  dissi (disisme.misfit): jsut execute em..cheaper
[2017/07/27 15:28:42]  Vivienne Schell: aaaaaaaw
[2017/07/27 15:28:45]  Vivienne Schell: shame
[2017/07/27 15:28:47]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): maybe if the faction leaders have beaten some sense into some people. then we can try again :)
[2017/07/27 15:28:51]  Gianutto Jandali (gianutto): @ < answered
[2017/07/27 15:29:09]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): good :)
[2017/07/27 15:29:10]  Spangle Xenno: Syd V WWF trial was fun tho :)
[2017/07/27 15:29:15]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes
[2017/07/27 15:29:27]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so. now my speaker list is empty again
[2017/07/27 15:29:35]  Huffy (huffy12389): Im still waiting for my full body massage from Syd.
[2017/07/27 15:29:40]  dissi (disisme.misfit): @
[2017/07/27 15:29:41]  Syrissa Broono: @
[2017/07/27 15:29:42]  Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): So am I
[2017/07/27 15:29:46]  Diedra Quartz: @
[2017/07/27 15:29:46]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): dissi?
[2017/07/27 15:29:47]  dissi (disisme.misfit): are bugs and nastiness coming back?  like ants?
[2017/07/27 15:30:03]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Baron is the Lord of the Bugs
[2017/07/27 15:30:07]  Dean Decencydefied (dean4225): @
[2017/07/27 15:30:08]  dissi (disisme.misfit): heh
[2017/07/27 15:30:18]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:30:19]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): so, maybe :)
[2017/07/27 15:30:21]  BlackWidow (karmalove32): @
[2017/07/27 15:30:30]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Syrissa?
[2017/07/27 15:30:34]  Syrissa Broono: @answered
[2017/07/27 15:30:40]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Dean?
[2017/07/27 15:30:45]  Dean Decencydefied (dean4225): When you spar in the arena, after you are downed, you either need to tp to any tp point in the jungle and come back or eat food to be back up to full hp for 2nd round of the spar. Is there any way to fix that?
[2017/07/27 15:31:08]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ah there was a reason.. again "Must win" idiots exploited that in a way that escaped me
[2017/07/27 15:31:30]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): but you see ,the "Must win" idiocy reallly has its price, for example that force TP in between, o prevent that exploit
[2017/07/27 15:31:40]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Diedra?
[2017/07/27 15:31:44]  Diedra Quartz: Forgot to ask, will the big cats to shoot be back?      Was a great meeting from all, thank you Tantrica, Baron and all that attended
[2017/07/27 15:31:56]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the cats will come back
[2017/07/27 15:32:02]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:32:03]  Vivienne Schell: i want the tigers baaaaaaaack. they helped decimating the number of tourists! i soooo miss them in the valley!!
[2017/07/27 15:32:10]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): the cats will come back :)
[2017/07/27 15:32:15]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Blackwidow?
[2017/07/27 15:32:16]  Vivienne Schell: yeeahhhhhhhhhhh
[2017/07/27 15:32:19]  BlackWidow (karmalove32): could we eat Amazonian Larvae?i hear that it's high in protein chuckles
[2017/07/27 15:32:22]  Diedra Quartz: ahh , think there is one at bottom river below the cave
[2017/07/27 15:32:26]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :D
[2017/07/27 15:32:29]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok
[2017/07/27 15:32:30]  Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): :p
[2017/07/27 15:32:37]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): nooooow .. my speaker list is empty !
[2017/07/27 15:32:38]  Vivienne Schell: @
[2017/07/27 15:32:42]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Vivienne?
[2017/07/27 15:32:51]  Milena (laputa.milena): @
[2017/07/27 15:32:55]  Vivienne Schell: is there a reason fo single food pieces tio be 14 LI?
[2017/07/27 15:33:13]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yes.. but it is classified information :P
[2017/07/27 15:33:16]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Milena?
[2017/07/27 15:33:18]  Milena (laputa.milena): One cat (lone) could make chicken hunting mush more interesting!
[2017/07/27 15:33:21]  Vivienne Schell: thought so, he eh
[2017/07/27 15:33:25]  Sunaru (SunaruCaelus): left chat range.
[2017/07/27 15:33:35]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): ok .)
[2017/07/27 15:33:44]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): @
[2017/07/27 15:33:47]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): Wumpy?
[2017/07/27 15:34:19]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): any possibility to make the boxes with arrows or other stuff so that they are self-emptying in your directory?
[2017/07/27 15:34:33]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): now you need to rez and open and so on
[2017/07/27 15:34:42]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): several amazonians have scripted stuff for that
[2017/07/27 15:34:50]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): like arrow rezzers and food rezzers
[2017/07/27 15:34:56]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): for the arrow boxes that does not work so easily
[2017/07/27 15:35:06]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): for the other stuff i made those also
[2017/07/27 15:35:15]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): yah the arrows need to be clicked, yes..
[2017/07/27 15:35:23]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): we will check
[2017/07/27 15:35:24]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): (lazy me ok)
[2017/07/27 15:35:26]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[2017/07/27 15:35:41]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): now.. 2.5h and past midnight for me :)
[2017/07/27 15:35:47]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): I did not come up yet with a way to rez the boxes from a box and empty them
[2017/07/27 15:35:51]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): :)
[2017/07/27 15:36:04]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): all the other stuff works fine
[2017/07/27 15:36:06]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): let us adjourn the meeting and we can make anotehr one in August?
[2017/07/27 15:36:13]  ღ Sara ღ (saraemily.ceryos): yeah they are no mod so you just ahave to do it manually
[2017/07/27 15:36:20]  Diedra Quartz: thanks was great
[2017/07/27 15:36:24]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): i thank you all for your time and attention !
[2017/07/27 15:36:29]  Ethereal Jandali (etherealsoliloquy): thank you
[2017/07/27 15:36:32]  Spangle Xenno: thank you Tantrica and baron and everyone for a useful meeting
[2017/07/27 15:36:33]  ϻαͼͼυş (marcus.zenoria): Good meeting ty
[2017/07/27 15:36:36]  Wumpy (wumpus.vollmer): thank you for setting this up!
[2017/07/27 15:36:36]  Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): And thankj you Tantrica for your stamina... :p
[2017/07/27 15:36:40]  Terlal  (terlal): Thank you
[2017/07/27 15:36:42]  Vivienne Schell: august is fine. i hope to have killed all my enemies until then, less lag...hehe
[2017/07/27 15:36:43]  Jewel  (twistedpout): thank you
[2017/07/27 15:36:43]  Hepburn (hepburn30): Thank you Tantrica and Baron and I look forward to the next Supporters meeting.
[2017/07/27 15:36:43]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): rawwr :P
[2017/07/27 15:36:46]  Spangle Xenno: Love out loud
[2017/07/27 15:36:47]  Riff (riffmaker.xue): lets go and kill each other now ?
[2017/07/27 15:36:52]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): /me grins
[2017/07/27 15:37:04]  Syrissa Broono: Thank you Tantrica and Baron for the chance to speak our thoughts.
[2017/07/27 15:37:05]  Meg Madrigal: thank YOU,  Tantrica  & Baron  for all you do
[2017/07/27 15:37:20]  Tantrica ღ (yt.recreant): /me smiles and bows
[2017/07/27 15:37:21]  Baron La Croix (edgeofreason): *tips hat*

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