Sunday, November 30, 2014

Arrows and Bullets

The arrows and bullets used at the Amazon River can be made, or bought using the Amazon coins - a roleplay 'currency'.

You can obtain Amazon coins by collecting items and trading them at the trading table in Rio Tapajos.  Amazon coins have no relation to Linden Dollars (L$) - they are there simply to enhance and enrich roleplay.  You cannot buy Amazon arrows or bullets on marketplace - nor should you ever pay for Amazon bullets or arrows using Linden Dollars (L$).  The only 'currency' in use at the Amazon is the 'in character' Amazon coins.

You can make arrows or bullets for free using the workbench provided.

Plus, this provides you with countless new Roleplay opportunities. here are two examples:

  • Kidnap a raider and ask for ransom to be paid in bananas or arrows
  • Have freshly recruited members of your group collect items that can be exchanged into coins

Tuesday, November 4, 2014

Trading system HUD improvements and more

Please check here for the trading system. It offers a whole set of new roleplay options. Also pleae not that the HUD is now able to be set to "animal" mode, as announced here.

Sunday, October 26, 2014

Council Meeting 26 October 2014 12.30pm

[12:31] Tlālōc (winterthyme): ok - I suggest we get started. Firstly thank you all for coming.
[12:31] Nuku Nemeth nods
[12:31] Andrew Harcourt: ears open
[12:32] Tlālōc (winterthyme): If you have a question or observation please type "?" and wait until you are invited to speak before postign your comment - it helps with the flow
[12:32] Demon (demonrebell.whelan): hello everyone waves*
[12:32] Demonrebell Whelan: * waves hello everyone
[12:32] Tlālōc (winterthyme): I will also do my best to log the meeting and publish it on the blog tomorrow or later tonight
[12:33] Tlālōc (winterthyme): So without further ado - Tlaçolteotl - over to you!
[12:33] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant) smiles "thank you Tlālōc
[12:33] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we came together today to repeat some points, where Tlālōc and i observed, that they maybe were not yet implented as we planned to do it..
[12:34] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, we want tomentionthem again, and wil be open to ideas how to improve
[12:34] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): many RP areas wil burry you with a ton of notecards or websites on arrival...
[12:35] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and while we have a large blog, with many pages, we try to keep the things you need to know to an absolute minimum
[12:35] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you *can* read a lot, but you *have* to read only two things
[12:35] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): 1st: it is mandatory to wear the HUD - i think this point we got across well, communicated richly, and, i am happy to see, it is also largely accepted
[12:35] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): this one thing, we call a *requirement*
[12:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it is about the only OOC thing that we handle, as, w/o HUD, the rest, our laws, would be futile, obsoloete
[12:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the rest, are laws
[12:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so let us say we have a law, that people do not use jump extenders that make them jump 50 meters high
[12:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): in many sims this would be an OOC violation against the rules
[12:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): here, it is not
[12:37] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): here it is a law, to not use them
[12:37] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the difference is, that a law *can* be broken
[12:37] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): hoever, like in RL; if you decide to break the law. you are an outlaw.. that sounds like adventure, but can have serious consequences, like RL too
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, lets say, you use a jump extender and no one sees it...
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): great, lucky you
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): but if you use a jump extender and it goes noticed, you can be "killed" for that
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): kill means, 1h ban
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and it is applied by our weapons
[12:38] Nuku Nemeth: ?
[12:38] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): everyone can kill
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have some limits, to make it difficult
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): scriptwise
[12:39] Nuku Nemeth: does the 1 hour mean just the sim they where killed on or the whole amazon chain
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): but in theory, everyone can kill, and the guards have the power to kill without any effort
[12:39] Nuku Nemeth: ((akksorry))
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): please wait Nuku
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): :)
[12:39] Tlālōc (winterthyme): Nuku - please wait until called before asking your question to avoid interrupting the flow
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, you see someone using a jump extender...
[12:39] Nuku Nemeth: ((yea i hit enter my mistake
[12:39] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and then you decide to kill this person...
[12:40] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that would mean you need to place 12 shots at this person, after 3 or so they are down, after 12 they are "dead"
[12:40] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that, you may have noticed, requires a refill at the ammostore at least
[12:40] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): or you gang up
[12:40] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): what is the consequence if you kill?....
[12:40] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we, Tlālōc and i.. get instantly a message
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): like "person A killed person B at this region"
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): then, if you are the "killer", you must report it to the mouthpiece of the Gods
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that is the frog at Rio Solimoes
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we wil await the report, why you actually killed
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you just kill and do not bother to report, we wil follow it up
[12:41] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): most likely you will follow your victim swiftly and longer time
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, do not abuse that option, it can be seriously painful
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and a kill, Nuku, is one region..
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): not all regions :)
[12:42] Nuku Nemeth nods
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): now.. you see, laws can be broken, and if unnoticed, cool, if noticed, then tehre is a conflict..
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): guards don't need to report by the way
[12:42] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): they have our trust
[12:43] Nuku Nemeth: ?
[12:43] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you see someone violating the law and you do not want to kill you can seek a council member..
[12:43] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes, Nuku?
[12:43] Nuku Nemeth: how long does someone have to report a 'kill'
[12:43] Nuku Nemeth: like how long till it is followed up on
[12:43] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we apply common sense, and our messages have timetamps just in case we are both asleep...
[12:44] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and we expect it within the next 15-30 minutes
[12:44] Nuku Nemeth nods
[12:44] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i want to be clear to those trigger fingers listening...
[12:44] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it is really a bad ideea to try to kill on the assumption Tlālōc and i are asleep
[12:44] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we can follow up the next day as well, and we will
[12:44] Tlālōc (winterthyme) nods
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): downign someone is perfectly fine..
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we are only talking about kiling
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): now the next thing...
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we said, we want to handle *everythign* ICly...
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): on one meeting came the idea, to make a "quick call for guards"...
[12:45] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nope, not going to happen.. guards are not moderators
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and that would be exactly what it is abused for..
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i see already now every now and then people trying to talk to the "seekers" in the assumption they are OOC staff
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nope, they are not
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have no OC staff
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): *OOC
[12:46] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and if you make Tlālōc or me act OOC, force us to do so, its not going to end well
[12:47] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): as we use OOC only for really serious thigns like ban
[12:47] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, try to settle all disputes you have ICly
[12:47] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): (of course you can tlakt to us OOCly about things like.. there is a tree misplaced, or, can you landscape this and that)
[12:47] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): (we will NOT moderate tho, ever
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i want to give an example..
[12:48] Markus Graymark is online.
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and i want to mention before i give this example what really good RP is
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): really ood RP is like a really good book
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): when you read a reallly good book, you are sharing the emotions with the characteres int he book
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you laugh
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you cry
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you fear
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): etc
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): however, once you close the book, you are back to normal
[12:48] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): RP is the same
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): when done good, you can feel anry, or happy, aroused, or sad..
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the entiry palette of emotions
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): but once you switch off the computer, you should be back to normal
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so..
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): here the example, some heard about it, i will only tell a very condensed version
[12:49] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Tlālōc and i have been approached ICly for resolving a dispute
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we turned it down once
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and as they did not leave it at that, and returned, we gave them a task
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the task was, to have Tlālōc 's child, baby...
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it was IC
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and one can settle this all IC in countless ways
[12:50] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): like.. getting pregnant.. or bring another tribute to the "Gods" or whatever
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): one RP partner really undersood that, and was then also (in IM) happy for the RP
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the other RP partenr freaked out
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): a lot
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): OOCly
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and this is the point
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): then RP is not going to end well, ever
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you allow your OOC emotions to blend in
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if this happens to you(and it happens to all of us,also me)..
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i recommend really:
[12:51] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): log out, take a walk on fresh air, return after 1 hour or one day
[12:52] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that was one example
[12:52] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nothe example is.. i see sometimes people racing the river with crazy boats
[12:52] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): vehicles you would see on the open sea, not in a muddy jungle river..
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i get a bow and arrow and shoot the driver till they are unconcious, theyn they race against somethign, a crocodile nabs them, the boat gets returned, problem slved
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): all ICly
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): no need to get into their IM and tellthem "you can't yadayda"
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that causes just bad feelings :)
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): who makes the law...
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that is the council
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if the council decides tomorrow all women have to dye their hair green...
[12:53] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): then that is so
[12:54] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and all women who then have not grene hair are outlaws
[12:54] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and, Tlālōc and i are NOT council, purposely
[12:54] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we do not want to show off in any way our "estatemanager pwoers"
[12:54] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): *you* run this, inworld
[12:54] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we are just part of the backdrop
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you see someone runnign around playing pew pew all the time, kill them
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you can shoot them first and ask later
[12:55] Andrew Harcourt: :))
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): do not call moderators
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have none
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): not going to happen
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Tlālōc and i step in if someone drops griefer tools
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nasty stuff
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): that is in itself OOC
[12:55] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): then..
[12:56] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): before i continue, are there ?
[12:56] Tlālōc (winterthyme) looks around to see if anyone has a question
[12:56] Poppy Flower (karima.moonites): no thanks
[12:56] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): ok...
[12:56] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): next point was..
[12:57] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): villages/tribes with their own ruiles...
[12:57] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the law is done by the council... and guarded by the guards...
[12:57] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): only the council makes them...
[12:57] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if a village wants own laws - they are free to do so, but that has no meaning to the guards, and these villages would need to establish their own forces to that
[12:57] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so in short: the effort would not be worth it
[12:58] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): rather, try to discuss as chief/chieftess the matter with the council and fine a solution that applies regionwide
[12:58] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you make village rules, and they are broken - tough luck for you
[12:58] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): RP bans...
[12:58] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): (that RP ban was the intro to the other RP that derailed then...
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): someone issued a RP ban like "we are no longer going to play with...
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nope, not going to happen here
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we are not one of those sims
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i have been godmodded here already myself..
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i grit my teeth and work through it and avoidthe person in the future as good as i can
[12:59] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if i fail in avoiding it, its life
[13:00] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i can't claim to try to stay IC all the time and when whine and wiggle out when its inconvenient
[13:00] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, if i find a bad RP partner, it wil end, it willpass, i stay IC if possible and maybe even try to better the RP ontheir side with hitns or so
[13:00] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): but RP bans - no - and willnto be accepted here
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): away from keyboard and be right back the same..
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if i am away from keyboard and get capped - bad luck
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): however...
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if i am really long time away from keyboard and someone caps me and has fun to alk to a zombie, pfff ok?
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): not my loss
[13:01] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i understand that some of what i say might sound novel or strange
[13:02] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): especially to those who come from "immerse RP world" with "100 exceptions and rules"
[13:02] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): trust me, its not, you wil slip into it fast
[13:02] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): last poitn i have on my agenda was "Gods"
[13:02] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Tlālōc and i tried first "normal" roles
[13:02] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): my partner was a botanist..
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i was a seeker
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): however, people visiting us were then approaching us in kneeling, in bowing, in praising...
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and we lived in a baboo hut
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): nothing really provoked or warranted it
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): they stil did
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and not one, btu many
[13:03] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so we came to the conclusion that if we are seen as kind of Gods, we take it a bit ironic,..
[13:04] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Tlālōc is the God of feritlity, Tlaçolteotl the God of filth - they both existed...
[13:04] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and then if people still feel like kneeling to us, its at least IC and more authentic than kneeling to a botanist
[13:04] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we do not use weapons...
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Gods and all, rite? :)
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have acquired two show-off magic HUDs.. yes..
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): here is by the way one God mode that came to my mind...
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): just recently...
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i was captuerd, i played along., i used one small particle effect from my HUD, my kidnapper kew i am a "God"...
[13:05] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): *knew
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the effect had nothing on the change of the RP, it was just a bit magic..
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the response from my captur (a human) was "oh i am a wizard too".
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): suddenly
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): out of the blue
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): :)
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): made me groan and i used another magic tricka nd dissolved
[13:06] ShylaLady: :)
[13:06] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so.. godmodding happens
[13:06] village bike (brianna.aldridge): ㋡
[13:06] Nuku Nemeth giggles
[13:06] Andrew Harcourt: :)
[13:07] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): its part of it, we are not perfect i amnot, because iwish i would be a God, but iam not of course :)
[13:07] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): anyway
[13:07] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): what i wanted to say is...
[13:07] village bike (brianna.aldridge) whispers "a very smexy god if you ask me."
[13:07] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): pelase, do not use the magic now because we both do. with Tlālōc and me it is IC.. and if everyone owould do it, we could rename this here into enchanted forest
[13:08] Andrew Harcourt: :)
[13:08] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Tlālōc and i don't show off too much with it, you can capture us, we won't turn you into a piece of cglowing ashes
[13:08] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes.. that was it so far..
[13:08] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): questions?
[13:08] Nuku Nemeth: ?
[13:08] ShylaLady: i have none :)
[13:08] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Nuku first :)
[13:09] Nuku Nemeth: so gods can be downed like normal players? or is that a big secret lol, just curious
[13:09] OhNoItsJustanuthaEn (0hnoitsme): listens intently for the response..
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we can be downed.. and i have to be honest :) Tlālōc and i play with he amazon HUD of course as we script along with it, and sometimes we forget the role we take on to check..
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so we have some days the power of a shaman, next day the power of council
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we never use it here anyway, but it can take some days longer to down us than on others
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): ok?
[13:10] Nuku Nemeth nods and smiles "ooo keeping it random"
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): rite :)
[13:10] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Shyla?
[13:10] Tlālōc (winterthyme) grins
[13:11] Tlālōc (winterthyme): I don't think Shyla had a question
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): ah "none"
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): my ears
[13:11] ShylaLady: i had no questions im happy with what u said :)
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant) coughs
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant) smiles
[13:11] Tlālōc (winterthyme) grins
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): oook
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): anyone?
[13:11] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): .
[13:12] OhNoItsJustanuthaEn (0hnoitsme): i was led to believe you do not participate in capture Rp if for example ..i captured ..let's say you Yt ..would that Rp commense?
[13:12] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it would, yes. i made for myself the agreement as long as i am restraiend i don't use spells to get out of it...
[13:12] Tlālōc (winterthyme): That applies to me too
[13:13] OhNoItsJustanuthaEn (0hnoitsme): smiles..thankyou
[13:13] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you're welcome :)
[13:13] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): did you have things that i forgot, Tlālōc ?
[13:14] Tlālōc (winterthyme): I don't think so - just a reminder that the Requirements and Laws of the Council are on the Blog. And when new ones are added it will be mentioned in "Important News and Updates" also on the Blog
[13:14] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes. and the HUD points to the website too
[13:14] Nuku Nemeth: ?
[13:14] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes?
[13:16] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): ah and when we have nukus question i want to tell another story..
[13:16] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): but go ahead Nuku, first please..
[13:16] Nuku Nemeth: is it possible if counsel is in agreement, would a sign reminding people there is a website at the landing using some of there prims be allowed?
[13:17] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we can trigger the sensor that IMs people on arrivel with a pop up also
[13:17] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so they get a "we have laws, read them!"
[13:17] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): or instead
[13:17] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and if they click, they go to the website
[13:17] Tlālōc (winterthyme) makes a note
[13:18] Nuku Nemeth: that could work nicely i think, cause.. some do not read the local when they arive, maybe something poping up on there screen will do well, they gotta look at it to click it away lol
[13:18] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): ok :)
[13:18] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we will
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): now....
[13:19] Nuku Nemeth: ^.^ thank you
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the sory i wanted to tell is..
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you're welcome :)
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we agreed, that we want to settle all IC...
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): laws are made by council
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and guarded by guards
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): council memebrs are then like politicians
[13:19] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): guards like police
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and here was the plot.. that never happened due to other circuumstances..
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): however, if it had happened *i* would have been fine with it:
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): a council memebr got damaged by a resident..
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): like shooting, conflict. whatever really
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): would you, iRL; walk up to an influencal politician and damage them?
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): you would rather not, as they have more influence then the "normal resident"
[13:20] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): same here...
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if a council memebr really gets annoyed..
[13:21] OhNoItsJustanuthaEn (0hnoitsme): assainate attempts
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and then they turn to a guard and say "hey guard, look, that John Doe, is dead.. kill him on sight" and the guard does it...
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): well?
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): its all IC
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): power corrupts
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): what i mean is..
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): quite the "safe rails and tracks" of moderation and rules
[13:21] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): let it flow
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): an aalogy is the build style in the amazon
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we do not tell anybody where to place their tent
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have no "sub parcels"
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it grows organically
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we do not tell anybody to raise or to not raise a tribe
[13:22] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it simply happens
[13:22] Mokel Inglewood: ?
[13:23] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if then council members diecide to devlop for themselves a corrupt character..
[13:23] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we have corrrupt politicians RL too (i have heard, I don't know of course)
[13:23] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so
[13:23] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): its just logic to have this here as well
[13:23] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Mokel?
[13:23] Mokel Inglewood: do supporters in that aspect have preference to "normal" players ?
[13:24] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): indirect, as a council member can only be recruited from supporters - simply for the reason that the council is modeling the landscape in laws, heavily
[13:24] Mokel Inglewood: -d +t
[13:24] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and so, it is only fair to et those on who have some skin in here
[13:24] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): "n on supporters do not have permanent rezz rights, for a simple different reason...
[13:24] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if i would open rezz to all, we would soon have a chaotic sandbox
[13:24] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): one can't keep that clean
[13:25] Nuku Nemeth: true that
[13:25] Mokel Inglewood: ok
[13:25] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we alrady now have cleaned for example.. "AO HUDs" buried in t he beach from suporters :)
[13:25] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): imagine this now with all people perma rezz right on
[13:25] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): :)
[13:25] Andrew Harcourt: no way :)
[13:26] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): ?
[13:26] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Primo?
[13:26] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Would killing a crazy person, be viewed as a mercy killing?......grins
[13:26] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant) smiles "you can always justifiy the killing in any way that oyu like to the mouthpiece..
[13:26] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and..
[13:26] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): pro tip..
[13:27] Nuku Nemeth listens well
[13:27] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): as i said, we trust them hunters...
[13:27] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if you give them the order to kill and they do.. they do not need to reason it
[13:27] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the game goes always two sides...
[13:27] Tlālōc (winterthyme): guards, not hunters*
[13:27] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes, sorry guards
[13:27] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, let us lok at this from guards view
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i am a guard... as example...
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and soemone asks me "can you kill John Doe for me?"
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i can now decide.. who is asking me this..
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i can obey blindly..
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): or i can say "why?"
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i can be corrupt?
[13:28] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): or i can shoot down the one who approached me for the attempt to bend the law
[13:29] Razab Jackson: ?
[13:29] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): so, yes, a council member can be killed by a guard if the guard thinks in his/her own value system this is the right thign to do
[13:29] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): it is like RL.. and a police officer shooting a politician happened too there
[13:29] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes, Razab?
[13:29] Razab Jackson: What are the OOC consequences of being Killed?
[13:30] Razab Jackson: what does it do to the person killed
[13:30] Razab Jackson: ?
[13:30] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): once someone is dead they get immediately by the script in the HUD 1h region ban - on that particular region, not on all fours...
[13:30] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): then we get a message also
[13:30] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if the killing happened by a "not guard" we wait for the reason
[13:30] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if there is no reason, the Gods will follow it up
[13:31] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): if there is a reason, we will decide individually
[13:31] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): and a Guard has not to deliver a reason, but if i see in my log Razab suddenly killing 50 people ...
[13:31] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): we will investigate too of course :)
[13:31] Tlālōc (winterthyme) grins
[13:32] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): more questions?
[13:32] Razab Jackson: thanks
[13:32] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): :)
[13:32] Aloysius Washington (stern.vlodovic): ?
[13:32] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): Aloysius :)
[13:32] Aloysius Washington (stern.vlodovic): Can guards be dismissed by council?
[13:33] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): yes, sure, like sheriffs in local towns in some coutnries, they are hired and fired
[13:33] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): the council can make laws for that too by the way
[13:35] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): more questions? :)
[13:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): good, then i thank you all for your attention. keep in mind, RP is like a book, never drag it to OOC :) if you do, take a walk RL
[13:36] Nuku Nemeth: i cannot think of any
[13:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): i wish you all a beautiful rest of the day
[13:36] Terrrence: Thank you
[13:36] Aloysius Washington (stern.vlodovic): Thank you
[13:36] Tlālōc (winterthyme): Thank you all for coming - and thank you for investign your time here and helping make the Amazon such a wonderful place.
[13:36] Tlaçolteotl (yt.recreant): what Tlālōc said ! :)

Tuesday, September 30, 2014

Council Meeting: 29 September 2014 2pm SLT

[2014/09/29 14:02]  YT Recreant: first thank you all for coming..
[2014/09/29 14:02]  YT Recreant: we wil conduct this meeting as the other two before (the buidler meeting and the class yetserday)...
[[2014/09/29 14:03]  YT Recreant: meaning: questions, please only make a sign "?" and wait till you are called, that way we can avoid double and crossposts and all that
[2014/09/29 14:03]  YT Recreant: typos, if you find them, you can keep
[2014/09/29 14:03]  YT Recreant: a transcript of this meeting will go to the blog
[2014/09/29 14:03]  YT Recreant: soooo
[2014/09/29 14:03]  YT Recreant: for the start i want to clarify some rules, roles, definitions
[2014/09/29 14:04]  YT Recreant: as i noticed, people confuse them, which is quite understandable, we never explaiend them really
[2014/09/29 14:04]  YT Recreant: so, we start with "supporters"
[2014/09/29 14:04]  YT Recreant: supporters contribute, financially and also with their time and builds, to the region. in return, they get a prim allowance, and they get ban/eject rights..
[2014/09/29 14:04]  YT Recreant: like one would expect also when renting a piece of land somewhere on a region
[2014/09/29 14:05]  YT Recreant: these ban/eject rights are meant for situations like, they make their own home here, want to spend qualitiy time there, and some guest refueses to leave
[2014/09/29 14:05]  YT Recreant: so, pretty much OOC rights
[2014/09/29 14:05]  YT Recreant: they have no bearings in how the roleplay flows at the amazon, these extra rights
[2014/09/29 14:05]  YT Recreant: the next thing is the council
[2014/09/29 14:06]  YT Recreant: council is what you would call in RL the court...
[2014/09/29 14:06]  YT Recreant: the people who are members in the council are recrutied from the supporters
[2014/09/29 14:06]  YT Recreant: because, beign a suporter gives them already extra power, in OOC, and with the council it makes it easier for them to use these IC too
[2014/09/29 14:06]  YT Recreant: and then we have the guards... the guards are what you would call in RL the polive
[2014/09/29 14:06]  YT Recreant: *police, too
[2014/09/29 14:07]  YT Recreant: they have a look that all flows nicely, and if it does not flow nicely, they can step in
[2014/09/29 14:07]  YT Recreant: guards get an extra pack of ammo, 25 shots
[2014/09/29 14:07]  YT Recreant: there is a reason for that
[2014/09/29 14:07]  YT Recreant: if you are a normal resident and receive two hits in fast order .. you are downed
[2014/09/29 14:07]  YT Recreant: if you receive 12 hits in fast order, you are "dead"
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: dead means, locekd from the region for 1 hour
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: the system wil TP you away
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: a normal resident has only 10 shots, so they can't kill ,usually
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: guards can
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: and that way they can punish people who really behave badly, straight and swiftly IC
[2014/09/29 14:08]  YT Recreant: that is the idea. so far
[2014/09/29 14:09]  YT Recreant: i admit, we are new inthis idea.. we are willing to adjsut it, and to extend, enhance or rewrite parts...
[2014/09/29 14:09]  Magidon: ?
[2014/09/29 14:09]  Sheny Amat: I think you bring guards in strange positions by having them operate IC
[2014/09/29 14:09]  YT Recreant: but one needs a start soemwhere, and that start we are going to do now
[2014/09/29 14:09]  YT Recreant: sheny...
[2014/09/29 14:09]  YT Recreant: please questions in ? first
[2014/09/29 14:09]  YT Recreant: thank you
[2014/09/29 14:10]  YT Recreant: so where was i
[2014/09/29 14:10]  YT Recreant: ah yes
[2014/09/29 14:10]  YT Recreant: why are we doing this all
[2014/09/29 14:10]  YT Recreant: we want to introduce soemthing here, that is different from all oher RP areas that you maybe know
[2014/09/29 14:10]  YT Recreant: i do not expect it to run smoothly in the start because we are all used to patterns of behaviour and rules, but i am sure, if we look into this with patience and time, it wil be great
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: let me explain
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: in a normal RP area you have rules
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: IC rules and OOC rules
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: we, here at Amazon have only 1 OOC rule
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: wear the HUD
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: if you dont, we, Winter and i, kick you. period
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: that is the only OOC rule we really enforce
[2014/09/29 14:11]  YT Recreant: in other regions then you have looong lists of "allowed weapons" for example
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: then you have rules like "if a prey is tied up you can't run"
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: and "if the sun is shining you can only jump 3 meters high
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: etc etc
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: but what is the result?
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: people yell all the time for admins and moreators
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: how many great raids in Gor went totally south because one guy was standing up, yelling "INVALID"
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: i lost count
[2014/09/29 14:12]  YT Recreant: and its boring, really
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: here, i want actions, that define your consequences...
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: example
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: person A captures person B
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: but C also wanted to capture B
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: just, A was faster
[2014/09/29 14:13]  YT Recreant: however.. where is it written, that C is not allowed to shot down A ? and then capture B and run ?
[2014/09/29 14:14]  YT Recreant: that A is then upset, is clear
[2014/09/29 14:14]  YT Recreant: in "old style" A would yell "INVALID" stomp feet and run out
[2014/09/29 14:14]  YT Recreant: in here, A can whine, or follow up C and take thme down, or target a new prey
[2014/09/29 14:14]  YT Recreant: like it would be in RL
[2014/09/29 14:14]  Sheny Amat: *smiles
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: with hat, and here we come to the hint from just a few minutes ago about how guards wouldbe in strange positions etc...
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: with hat, we avoid exactly that: guards being mistaken as moderators
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: the guards wil never hold hand and explain rules
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: they will step in if they see somethign that needs to be taken care of
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: but they will not moderate - ever
[2014/09/29 14:15]  YT Recreant: (or should not, really, if they stll do, it is their headache
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: sheny
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: if youwant to ask
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: please send a ? first
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: it is not lost, also the earlier ? not
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: i just want to finish my thoughts first
[2014/09/29 14:16]  Sheny Amat: yes sir >>> sorry
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: ty
[2014/09/29 14:16]  YT Recreant: so, let me for example tell about an incident recently
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: there was a party, here on the region
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: some guets thoguth it was fun to throw items onto the guests
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: the call for a moderator was imminent
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: and the party ended
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: once we have our structure running, the party people can call guards and the guards clean up
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: or the guards see it on their own initiative
[2014/09/29 14:17]  YT Recreant: and clean up
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: another example...
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: i see soemtimes people with boats, that really make no sense here
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: like "high sea, over sea yachts, with huge sails"
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: they get stuck everywhere and all that
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: right now, i right click the boat and return it
[2014/09/29 14:18]  YT Recreant: a guard, could as well just use their weapon, turn the yacht owner int a pin cushion - fixed
[2014/09/29 14:19]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): me grins
[2014/09/29 14:19]  YT Recreant: these are examples, where i think they can ilustrate a bit what i mean
[2014/09/29 14:19]  YT Recreant: now, we had two questions. Magidon first
[2014/09/29 14:19]  Magidon: Thanks, Could you please elaborate on the Restrictions for guards and
[2014/09/29 14:20]  Magidon: what about the guard getting taken down by 2 shots?
[2014/09/29 14:20]  Magidon: Limits, RP limits...
[2014/09/29 14:20]  YT Recreant: a guard is like a police officer .. and in RL also police officers are not makign the law, but just controlling it
[2014/09/29 14:20]  YT Recreant: if we catch a guard to be abusive, he/she was guard
[2014/09/29 14:21]  YT Recreant: also a guard is not allowed to be member of a tribe - to avoid conflict of interst
[2014/09/29 14:21]  YT Recreant: and a guard has higher stamina, it takes more shots to down them
[2014/09/29 14:21]  YT Recreant: how many, you can find out, if you dare
[2014/09/29 14:21]  Magidon: /me chuckles
[2014/09/29 14:21]  YT Recreant: the guards are well selected
[2014/09/29 14:21]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): ?
[2014/09/29 14:21]  YT Recreant: hence we require, in futre, two council embers to vote for them
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: ok.. the next was Sh... ..(i forgot the name.. sorry. no intention..
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: ..
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: Winter, who was the next?
[2014/09/29 14:22]  Winter (winterthyme): Sheny
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: Sheny!
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: :D
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: sorry :)
[2014/09/29 14:22]  YT Recreant: your turn, Sheny
[2014/09/29 14:24]  Sheny Amat: it was not a question , but more a remark ... still the question ,,.. guards in RP is a dangerous can work, but we all concluded before sometimes we have to deal with baby's screaming for moderators... what kind of respect they have, and what to enforce that ... is what you think enough ?
[2014/09/29 14:24]  YT Recreant: /me smiles
[2014/09/29 14:24]  YT Recreant: thank you for the input...
[2014/09/29 14:24]  YT Recreant: and yes, as i said, we will need time to get the concept into the heads ...
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: however, those amongst you who are with us already a few months, know, how Winter and I handled so far the calls for moderator
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: they went, quite frankly, into the dustbin
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: unread
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: and?
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: we are still alive and kicking
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: because, lets face it:
[2014/09/29 14:25]  village bike (brianna.aldridge): ?
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: the calls for moderators are often just frustrations out of the heat of the moment
[2014/09/29 14:25]  Sheny Amat: *smiles
[2014/09/29 14:25]  YT Recreant: a guard will not moderate also
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: let me explain anotehr thing, also to make clear, what we want council for
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: lets say..
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: how it is today:
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: today, we have several villages
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: and some have Notecards, like "do not raid here"
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: some have notecards "we have no safezone"
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: and some have no noteards
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: the council task is, to set "laws"
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: laws are NOT OOC requirements
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: this is now the key part
[2014/09/29 14:26]  YT Recreant: important!
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: an OOC requirement is the HUD ... no HUD=kick
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: lets say, the council makes a LAW
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: a law that says "all villages are never to be raided at 1 PM to 2 PM coz siesta and all
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: now we have a raider who wants to raid, and it is siesta time
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: this will go pretty much like RL
[2014/09/29 14:27]  YT Recreant: he/she can raid, at 1:30 PM
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: if caught. the guard and council will teach the consequences
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: if not caught - well, lucky raider
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: the council makes maybe a law "Do not use jump extenders"
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: then there is a person, using them
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: if a council or guard seess that - the person with the jump extender will learn the consequences
[2014/09/29 14:28]  YT Recreant: if no one notices - well?
[2014/09/29 14:29]  YT Recreant: Primo had a question
[2014/09/29 14:30]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Again more of a concern than a question,,,,,,, the guard job is a tough one if faced with many offenders at once, I would suggest making them health wise even stronger than say a shaman or council for IC reasons
[2014/09/29 14:31]  YT Recreant: thank you :) and we can do that.... i want to point out again also: we are open to all kinds of suggestions and tweaks and tunings,. this is an experiment, like "let everyone build where the want" is an expriment too.. the first one went great, and i am sure, this will too :)
[2014/09/29 14:31]  YT Recreant: so, how many health points the guards get, we can determine together
[2014/09/29 14:31]  YT Recreant: and vb ?
[2014/09/29 14:31]  village bike (brianna.aldridge): If I understand this correctly, someone who wants to be a Guard needs to procure the votes of two standing council members, then they have to seek out a seeker and ICily get the seeker to grant them the right to be a guard, correct? How is the seeker to know if the prospective guard actually has the votes of two counsel members?
[2014/09/29 14:32]  YT Recreant: the seeke can put the guard-aspiring person on hold and get reassurance from the two named council members
[2014/09/29 14:32]  village bike (brianna.aldridge): ㋡
[2014/09/29 14:32]  YT Recreant: also:
[2014/09/29 14:32]  YT Recreant: it can work this way...
[2014/09/29 14:32]  YT Recreant: council says to seeker "seek person A, make them guard if they want
[2014/09/29 14:33]  YT Recreant: then seeker goes and seekes A and asks
[2014/09/29 14:33]  village bike (brianna.aldridge): ㋡ ㋡
[2014/09/29 14:33]  Talulu Ohmai: ?
[2014/09/29 14:33]  YT Recreant: Talulu?
[2014/09/29 14:33]  Talulu Ohmai: How often do Seekers wander the lands?
[2014/09/29 14:33]  YT Recreant: uhm we have no time table :)
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: and no union either
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: there are 4 seekers
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: sometimes all are out and about, sometiems none
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: we seek seekers also, but we will pick them silently
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: so this is the point...
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: council makes laws
[2014/09/29 14:34]  YT Recreant: we have kept the laws on our blog puposely very general
[2014/09/29 14:35]  YT Recreant: like more or less "do not use any superpowers"
[2014/09/29 14:35]  YT Recreant: the council has the task to a. refine them, and make new ones if needd and skip old ones
[2014/09/29 14:35]  YT Recreant: b.) decide in cases that requuire more attention - about a proper reaction
[2014/09/29 14:35]  YT Recreant: so, like in RL again too:
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: a police officer gets you for overspeeding
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: if you were just overspeeding, you pay a fine - and thats it
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: if you were overspeeding, drunk, drugged and run over a cat...
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: the judge will talk to you
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: the police will arrest you until then
[2014/09/29 14:36]  Sheny Amat: the main point is ... when the level of irritation has been exceeded , the guards must have a possibility to deal with the problem the hard way ... (24 hour ban ?) sometime a speeding driver makes more trouble as is stricktly neccessary
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: this is what i imagine for here too
[2014/09/29 14:36]  YT Recreant: thank you Sheny for doing the ? trick
[2014/09/29 14:37]  YT Recreant: can we agree on keeping a structure, Sheny?
[2014/09/29 14:37]  Winter (winterthyme): ((Sheny - if you have a comment please just say "?" in chat until you are asked to speak))
[2014/09/29 14:37]  Sheny Amat: ((eeps ... sorry again ..))
[2014/09/29 14:37]  Gwennydoll: ?
[2014/09/29 14:37]  YT Recreant: a guard can ban 1 hour...
[2014/09/29 14:37]  YT Recreant: then talk to council
[2014/09/29 14:37]  YT Recreant: Gewnnydoll?
[2014/09/29 14:38]  YT Recreant: *Gwennydoll
[2014/09/29 14:38]  Gwennydoll: has there been a lot of complaints and/or problems
[2014/09/29 14:38]  Gwennydoll: i am not seeing htem
[2014/09/29 14:38]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): ?
[2014/09/29 14:38]  YT Recreant: on IC level mostly not, which is why i think we can do this here
[2014/09/29 14:38]  YT Recreant: the amazon RP area is a very mature and developed one
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: but
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: and yah, some will groan now :)....
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: however, but...
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: i have to line out:
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: changing the meter had a huge impact on the peace that we enjoy now, in a positive way
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: before that, with GM, it was wild west
[2014/09/29 14:39]  Winter (winterthyme): /me grins
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: this has stopped, and now we improve more
[2014/09/29 14:39]  Snuff (amordoq): ㋡
[2014/09/29 14:39]  YT Recreant: so that when all is running, we have a really working almost 100% IC world
[2014/09/29 14:40]  YT Recreant: Leilah?
[2014/09/29 14:40]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): will the council be able to act on Hud level, stripping ammo, or only on the powers the have as supporters
[2014/09/29 14:40]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): they*
[2014/09/29 14:40]  YT Recreant: the council wil get th eoption to reduce the ammo a person can carry, to zero...
[2014/09/29 14:40]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): kk
[2014/09/29 14:40]  YT Recreant: and, since i was too lazy to script a timer into it, the striped person has to ask council nicely to get it back, ever
[2014/09/29 14:41]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): /me grins
[2014/09/29 14:41]  YT Recreant: :)
[2014/09/29 14:41]  YT Recreant: now..
[2014/09/29 14:41]  YT Recreant: please consider again:
[2014/09/29 14:41]  YT Recreant: i understand if people raise brows and think "omg, willneverworkwwhatisthisagainthis wassonice"....
[2014/09/29 14:41]  YT Recreant: but .. trust us.. it wil be nice, because, we do it *with you*
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: we are purposely not deciding like "the big evil anonymous landlords"...
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: we want to make this with you
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: and so, it wil be great
[2014/09/29 14:42]  Takoda (lassie): ?
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: Takoda?
[2014/09/29 14:42]  Takoda (lassie): /me groans
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: ha!
[2014/09/29 14:42]  Snuff (amordoq): Yep!
[2014/09/29 14:42]  Takoda (lassie): *chuckles*
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: now,,
[2014/09/29 14:42]  YT Recreant: we come tot he point that makes this evening also important
[2014/09/29 14:43]  YT Recreant: Winter and I are making the technicl stuff...
[2014/09/29 14:43]  YT Recreant: and other than kicking HUD refusers, we only script and build and we are pleased with that level..
[2014/09/29 14:43]  YT Recreant: so we want, to have a point, to talk to..
[2014/09/29 14:43]  YT Recreant: one/two people, who are the channel, leader, head
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: that ALL others of the council know
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: where we adress, and can be sure, that when we talk to A and B..
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: coz, timezones and all, you know how that is
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: so we need council leaders
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: i would like two, from two timezones
[2014/09/29 14:44]  YT Recreant: i suggest voting, and the msot votes is leader A and th second most votes is leader B
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: unless, they are both fromt eh same timezone
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: ah
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: we will see i spose
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: :)
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: now.. let us structure this, i want in the first round names of people who are suggested as leader. you can suggest yourself, or someone else
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: but
[2014/09/29 14:45]  YT Recreant: only supporters please now...
[2014/09/29 14:46]  YT Recreant: so, names now please
[2014/09/29 14:46]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): Sunaru
[2014/09/29 14:46]  LyricalStorm (yvonne.serrari): I suggest Terr
[2014/09/29 14:46]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): sunaru
[2014/09/29 14:46]  JustSylvi: suggest Primo
[2014/09/29 14:46]  YT Recreant: /e writes down
[2014/09/29 14:47]  YT Recreant: ok, we have three names...?
[2014/09/29 14:47]  slut (xx.reyes): ?
[2014/09/29 14:47]  YT Recreant: yes, slut?
[2014/09/29 14:47]  Snuff (amordoq): I suggest ρяїɱӧ
[2014/09/29 14:47]  Sheny Amat: /me votes for anybody that wants to do the job himself ..
[2014/09/29 14:47]  YT Recreant: /me waits for sluts ? :)
[2014/09/29 14:47]  slut (xx.reyes): i was wondering if those that are not able to attend the meeting will have a chance to make nominations before the voting.
[2014/09/29 14:48]  YT Recreant: yes, i have one notecard of someone who was not able to attend
[2014/09/29 14:48]  YT Recreant: she wanted to vote, not to be nominated
[2014/09/29 14:48]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): ?
[2014/09/29 14:48]  slut (xx.reyes): spankies
[2014/09/29 14:48]  Sheny Amat: have a defenite voting in 4 weeks...
[2014/09/29 14:48]  YT Recreant: Bisa?
[2014/09/29 14:48]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): would an online vote work better, we can survive another day without a leader
[2014/09/29 14:48]  Snuff (amordoq): .
[2014/09/29 14:48]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): then everyone gets there say
[2014/09/29 14:49]  YT Recreant: i thought about that, but i have no way to control if only supporters vote
[2014/09/29 14:49]  YT Recreant: so
[2014/09/29 14:49]  YT Recreant: as the council is a key in this build, it is also key for me that those who have some skin in this region, decide
[2014/09/29 14:50]  JustSylvi: ?
[2014/09/29 14:50]  YT Recreant: aka supporters
[2014/09/29 14:50]  YT Recreant: Sylvi?
[2014/09/29 14:50]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): ?
[2014/09/29 14:50]  JustSylvi: does everyone know who is in the council ?
[2014/09/29 14:51]  YT Recreant: you can now name any supporter, and if you have named someone who can't be council i wil tell.. .. we have a list somewhere
[2014/09/29 14:51]  YT Recreant: /me looks at Winter
[2014/09/29 14:51]  YT Recreant: psst, list?
[2014/09/29 14:51]  Winter (winterthyme): /me looks through my paper
[2014/09/29 14:51]  Winter (winterthyme): +s
[2014/09/29 14:51]  JustSylvi: smiles
[2014/09/29 14:51]  YT Recreant: /me whistles a tune
[2014/09/29 14:51]  Snuff (amordoq): ㋡
[2014/09/29 14:51]  Shamca: smile
[2014/09/29 14:51]  YT Recreant: please hold the line, your call is important to us!
[2014/09/29 14:52]  village bike (brianna.aldridge): /me tickles her sisters foot while waiting
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Gwennydoll: ?
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): there are 14 current council members
[2014/09/29 14:52]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): /me pinches Leilah and Sylvi while on hold
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): wiktoria. sorbet
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): Sunaru
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): Justanutha
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): Primo
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): Nuku
[2014/09/29 14:52]  Winter (winterthyme): Emilee
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): Krungthep
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): terrence
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): Justsylvi
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): Mantis
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): Rock
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): Aqua Delphin
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Winter (winterthyme): and Jungle Flower (Bisa)
[2014/09/29 14:53]  YT Recreant: thank you :)
[2014/09/29 14:53]  YT Recreant: and Gwenny ?
[2014/09/29 14:53]  Gwennydoll: Can't the supporters just IM you with their vote?
[2014/09/29 14:54]  YT Recreant: sure they can. maybe a good idea...
[2014/09/29 14:54]  YT Recreant: so, let me summarize..
[2014/09/29 14:54]  YT Recreant: Sunaru, Terr and PRimo are nominated...
[2014/09/29 14:54]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): ?
[2014/09/29 14:54]  YT Recreant: Leilah?
[2014/09/29 14:55]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): I just realised that Sunaru won't take the job because of health issues
[2014/09/29 14:55]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): ?
[2014/09/29 14:55]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): so I want to redraw my vote
[2014/09/29 14:55]  YT Recreant: ok, then it is Terr and Primo..
[2014/09/29 14:55]  YT Recreant: which wold make voting obsolete :D
[2014/09/29 14:55]  YT Recreant: Bisa?
[2014/09/29 14:55]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): instead of that I would like to vote for myself
[2014/09/29 14:55]  Jungle Flower (bisa.zuta): I concur and withdraw too - nominate Leilah
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: ah, we keep up the thrill ! :D
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: then its three
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: /drumrollls!
[2014/09/29 14:56]  Winter (winterthyme): /me grins and jots the names down
[2014/09/29 14:56]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): and there are more council members here
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: yes..
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: so, any nominations now?
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: not votes
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: nominations
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: we have three
[2014/09/29 14:56]  YT Recreant: Terr, Primo, Leilah
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: ok
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: then we do like Gwenny suggested
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: this goes up to the blog
[2014/09/29 14:57]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): ?
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: and the supoprters, all supporters, can vote...
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: within 24h
[2014/09/29 14:57]  YT Recreant: Primo?
[2014/09/29 14:58]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): I liked the idea of the online vote too
[2014/09/29 14:58]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Couldnt the link be posted to the supporter group, as only they should have access?
[2014/09/29 14:58]  YT Recreant: the online vote tools are so pprimitive, they do not even check double vote
[2014/09/29 14:58]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): aahhh ok
[2014/09/29 14:58]  Winter (winterthyme): A suggestion...
[2014/09/29 14:59]  ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): IM vote is fine then
[2014/09/29 14:59]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): ?
[2014/09/29 14:59]  YT Recreant: i would suggest, IM Winter and me.. .or we can also nominate someone else, as "notary public"
[2014/09/29 14:59]  YT Recreant: Leilah?
[2014/09/29 14:59]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): was about to suggest the IM vote
[2014/09/29 14:59]  YT Recreant: ok
[2014/09/29 14:59]  Winter (winterthyme): ?
[2014/09/29 14:59]  YT Recreant: yes, my lovely well hu.. err. husband?
[2014/09/29 14:59]  Winter (winterthyme): /me grins
[2014/09/29 15:00]  Winter (winterthyme): I wonder if we should refine the approach slightly in the interests of transparency - 24 hours for additional nominations and then 24 hours for IM votes?
[2014/09/29 15:00]  YT Recreant: ok
[2014/09/29 15:00]  YT Recreant: so then we do that
[2014/09/29 15:00]  YT Recreant: 24 h more for nominations
[2014/09/29 15:00]  YT Recreant: starting 3 PM NOW
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: and then another 24h voting
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: the nominations are on the blog
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: the IMs then will be collected
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: /me smiles
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: wonderful
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: nominate please via IM also to Winter and or me
[2014/09/29 15:01]  YT Recreant: now, do you have aaaaaaaany questions?
[2014/09/29 15:01]  Magidon: ?
[2014/09/29 15:02]  Takoda (lassie): ?
[2014/09/29 15:02]  YT Recreant: Magidon?
[2014/09/29 15:02]  Magidon: NOt a question, a comment... Thank you so much for creating this beautiful place!
[2014/09/29 15:02]  YT Recreant: /me smiles and bows "thank you too.. for enjyoing it ehre... all builds are "just sitting nicely" without vissitors
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: and Takoda?
[2014/09/29 15:03]  Takoda (lassie): is there any word on the celestials?
[2014/09/29 15:03]  Winter (winterthyme): /me grins
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: err.. wot?
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: :P
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: i todl you its in my inventory
[2014/09/29 15:03]  Takoda (lassie): ?
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: yes? :)
[2014/09/29 15:03]  Takoda (lassie): /me groans
[2014/09/29 15:03]  YT Recreant: ha! :P
[2014/09/29 15:04]  YT Recreant: great .. then we, Winter and I, thank you for your attention and time
[2014/09/29 15:04]  Takoda (lassie): ?
[2014/09/29 15:04]  YT Recreant: /me grins "it is over,, the public hour, Takoda :P
[2014/09/29 15:04]  Snuff (amordoq): ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[2014/09/29 15:04]  Shamca: we thank you and winter for time spent
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Asia Soy: yes we really appreciate it
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Terrrence: Thank you YT and Winter
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Sheny Amat: /me claps
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Winter (winterthyme): /me tips my non existent hat and smiles wide
[2014/09/29 15:05]  YT Recreant: /me smiles too, but widaaaah
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Shamca: were the cookies
[2014/09/29 15:05]  Leilah (itsuki.zsun): thank you both, this will be a unique experiment in sl
[2014/09/29 15:06]  YT Recreant: innit :)
[2014/09/29 15:06]  Chrysta (chrystalinia): is enjoying watching the process*
[2014/09/29 15:06]  NearMe: Sheny Amat is <20 - IM denied
[2014/09/29 15:06]  YT Recreant: /me grins "me too, it is fun.. indeed
[2014/09/29 15:07]  slut (xx.reyes): most of the time :)
[2014/09/29 15:07]  YT Recreant: you al have a beautiful day, and night and all, please excuse me, i need some mintues RL ..

Saturday, September 27, 2014

Meeting: 26 September 2pm SLT

Here is the transcript of the meeting on the above date:

[14:00] YT Recreant: Hello and thank you for coming.....
[14:00] YT Recreant: Before we start I want to outline a simple rule we go by, so we safe time and keep a clear track of our talks. The rule is: if someone has a question, please do NOT ask.
[14:00] YT Recreant: Instead, make a note in chat, for example “question” or “?”. In case I talk, Winter will collect the names, and if he talks, I will collect them.
[14:00] YT Recreant: When you made your sign, write ahead, but do NOT send it. Then when the time is right, we will call your name and you send the message. That way, we can all finish our thoughts and questions are not asked twice or triple.
[14:01] YT Recreant smiles
[14:01] YT Recreant: now, for today. ...
[14:01] YT Recreant: I want to point out, that I am amazed. Actually, we are amazed, Winter and I.
[14:01] YT Recreant: This is, to my knowledge, the only area in Second Life, where residents can build, unlimited by parcel boundaries, but into the wood. And the growth is organic.
[14:02] YT Recreant: and a voice in my head, aka IM from my partner tells me, i should mention, we record this session and put the transcript on the blog later
[14:02] YT Recreant: We do not subdivide parcels, we allow every build as long as it fits the theme and does not exceed your prim count (or Land Impact).
[14:02] YT Recreant: Hint at this point: if you click your Amazon HUD and select “status” you can see the Land Impact of your items in the region you are at.
[14:02] YT Recreant: The forest changes in an almost natural way and people find spots to live, where we would never have thought of.

[14:03] YT Recreant: Todays meeting is not meant as critics about buildings. It is rather an open discussion about what one can do and what one can avoid.
[14:03] YT Recreant: before we go there into the way how to build stuff, i want to show some things that can demonstrate how viewers affect the experience...
[14:04] YT Recreant: we all have different machines, computers at home, so i made a few screenshots
[14:04] YT Recreant: behind me
[14:04] YT Recreant: is the first
[14:04] YT Recreant: this is the resolution "low" int he viewer..

[14:05] YT Recreant: i stick to the official terms and do not mention the finetune in Firestorm or other viewers, so, this way, we can keep it all general
[14:05] YT Recreant: you can see, i rezzed some prims, and gave them a white surface
[14:05] YT Recreant: what catches instant attention is the "full bright"
[14:05] YT Recreant: ful bright, is meant for shops.. or show effects
[14:06] YT Recreant: it was never meant for residential builds..or hair.. yet.. we see it daily.. yes.. there is ful bright hair (shudders)
[14:06] YT Recreant: i placed a waterfall nearby here.. over there
[14:06] Chrysta (chrystalinia): sorry!
[14:06] YT Recreant: and now i made the water there "full bright"
[14:06] YT Recreant: you see.. the effect is,.. uhm.. well
[14:06] YT Recreant: this will for example look like radioactive water
[14:07] YT Recreant: there are ful bright plants, trees, leafs, waterfalls - and if you have those, please remove the full bright checkbox...
[14:07] YT Recreant: now back to my screenshot..
[14:07] YT Recreant: you see in "low" there are no shadows...
[14:07] YT Recreant: and the watersurface at the back is simply blue...
[14:07] YT Recreant: and some other effects do not occur, for example a glow effect...
[14:08] YT Recreant: nor will one be able to see metallic surfaces
[14:08] YT Recreant: i show this, as many use "low graphic settings" and then, to make a build sometimes still "bearable" - one should every now and then look with "low" at it... to get a feel for those low end machines too
[14:09] YT Recreant: now comes "mid"

[14:09] YT Recreant: you see, the glow is visible, and the water in the background has the amazon green
[14:10] YT Recreant: but these things also always come with that your computer needs more performance...
[14:10] YT Recreant: this "mid" is something where many people stil would say "this is ok, my machine runs fine"
[14:11] YT Recreant: "high" delivers almost all what we want...

[14:11] YT Recreant: almost
[14:11] YT Recreant: what "high" does not deliver are realtime shadows
[14:11] YT Recreant: realtime reflections
[14:11] YT Recreant: and depth in textures
[14:11] YT Recreant: yet, many people start to moan that on "high" their computer lacks performance
[14:11] YT Recreant: often that comes with "it is a new machine, and it is still slow"
[14:12] YT Recreant: we will come to that in a moment, what one can do if it feels laggy, and how to identify the source
[14:12] YT Recreant: this is ultra.. you see a shadow in the valley...

[14:12] YT Recreant: and.. yah, full bright is still "ugly"
[14:12] YT Recreant: so
[14:13] YT Recreant: now we come to the "how can i fix my performance"
[14:13] YT Recreant: i found an article in a blog, roundaobut 4 years ago
[14:13] YT Recreant: i followed its isntructions
[14:13] YT Recreant: and when i did that, my framerate (speed of my graphics) doubled
[14:13] YT Recreant: i have the link, somewher,e let me dig
[14:14] YT Recreant: the blog entry is only valid for NVidia cards...
[14:14] YT Recreant: and the idea behind is, simplified:
[14:14] YT Recreant: SL can not handle your card as good as NVidia can
[14:14] YT Recreant: so push the work to the card, not inside the viewer
[14:14] YT Recreant: here is how:
[14:14] YT Recreant:
[14:14] YT Recreant: the article is a bit dated from the screenshots but if you read carefulyl and compare to what you have now, you will experience a performance gain
[14:15] YT Recreant: the next thing i want from you is to press CTRL SHIFT 1
[14:16] YT Recreant: once you ddi that, you see a window "statistics bar"
[14:16] YT Recreant: that window has chapters.. you click the headers, and the chapters open and close
[14:16] YT Recreant: i want that you see "Basic FPS" and "Simulator"
[14:16] YT Recreant: i made a screenshot, with a yellow and green frame here

[14:16] YT Recreant: i want that you see on the screen what i framed here in colors
[14:16] YT Recreant: i will wait a few seconds so that you can find it
[14:17] YT Recreant waits a few secs more...
[14:17] YT Recreant: good
[14:17] YT Recreant: we start with Basic FPS
[14:18] YT Recreant: that value is how fast YOU are
[14:18] YT Recreant: in the screenshot i have there 29.1, that is fluent. that is not "WOW Boah" but it is fluent and does not give a "jelly" feeling
[14:18] YT Recreant: if you have less than 20, you will see it "laggy", but mind you, it is not the region, that is you
[14:19] YT Recreant: possibly wrong graphic settings
[14:19] YT Recreant: try lower then
[14:19] YT Recreant: the green area, is how fast the region runs
[14:19] YT Recreant: the sampel shows it at 45 FPS for the Sim and for physics
[14:19] YT Recreant: it can't be faster than 45
[14:19] YT Recreant: if its below 40 it feels jelly
[14:20] YT Recreant: it can vary, but we intervene regularly when it stays below 40 for a longer time...
[14:20] YT Recreant: however, please, do not IM us when we are in the regions with "it went just down.. oh, its up again, oh, its down...
[14:20] YT Recreant: we monitor it closely when we are around, we have the stats window almost always open anyway
[14:21] YT Recreant: questions to stats and graphic cards?
[14:21] YT Recreant: ok :)
[14:21] YT Recreant: now, i prepared all this talk, that we have an equal level...
[14:22] YT Recreant: because if i want to talk about optimizing a region, the viewers that participate in this, need to be optimized themselves...
[14:22] YT Recreant: hence that brief introduction
[14:22] YT Recreant: now, let us do a test
[14:22] YT Recreant: i have had a panel rezzed behind me.. please adjsut your cam on the now empty spot
[14:22] YT Recreant: i wil lrezuz there somethign again in a moment
[14:22] YT Recreant: observe the textures on both cubes

[14:23] YT Recreant: i *hope* you had the effect that onetexture was loaded sharp fast, the other a bit slowe
[14:23] YT Recreant: maybe 1 sec slower or so
[14:23] YT Recreant: unfortuuntly i can not repeat this test with he same cubes, as your viewers memorize what they saw
[14:24] YT Recreant: so, that is just a one time effect, for this ...
[14:24] YT Recreant: the point is...
[14:24] YT Recreant: one texure here ahs 1024x10224 as resolution
[14:24] YT Recreant: 1024*1024
[14:24] YT Recreant: and the other has 512*512
[14:24] YT Recreant: 512 loaded faster
[14:24] YT Recreant: this is important for all of you who texture things themselves
[14:25] YT Recreant: if you buy texture packs or if you upload texture packs, make them 512 at most
[14:25] YT Recreant: you do not need 1024 really unless for very very detailed stuff
[14:25] YT Recreant: i made my skin for example 1024.. yes.. we are all a bit narcissistic here :)
[14:25] YT Recreant: but i went through each tree and plant that iw as able to modify and reduced the texture when i was able to
[14:26] YT Recreant: the result is, most people can move along here without much lag
[14:26] YT Recreant: plus... the next key is...
[14:26] YT Recreant: i try to vary the textures by rotating them, or coloring them....
[14:27] YT Recreant: so the rocks have all over the same base texture and it is stretched or twisted or some such.. the effect is, it looks a bit different but the viewer does not ned to reload it
[14:27] YT Recreant: so, if you texture yourself, think how many textures you want to use yourself..
[14:27] YT Recreant: and how much variety you need there, with really new textures to show
[14:28] YT Recreant: i understand that texturing stuff is not everyone s busienss...
[14:28] YT Recreant: and i do respect if people say "i want to live here, play here, and not work here...
[14:28] YT Recreant: then no problem IM Winter or me, if you have questions about your builds
[14:28] YT Recreant: we can come and help and fix
[14:28] YT Recreant: you do not need to do that if you do not want :)
[14:28] YT Recreant: ok..
[14:29] YT Recreant: as long as no one asks i go along...
[14:29] YT Recreant: the next point is masking, alpha masking..
the leafs and branches...
[14:29] YT Recreant: older trees and bushes use a simple trick often...
[14:30] YT Recreant: they take a flat prim...
[14:30] YT Recreant: then they turn the prim several times
[14:30] YT Recreant: and from that optical illusion, the item looks "deep"
[14:30] YT Recreant: or
[14:30] YT Recreant: is supposed to look deep
[14:30] YT Recreant: in fact, they look, if one looks c closer.. like star-shaped flat prims witha texture
[14:31] YT Recreant: many old trees look good, if the entire garden is the same design...
[14:31] YT Recreant: here,... they may look a bit flat... so, check your trees and eventually .. IM us - we can also help there
[14:32] YT Recreant: alright, with little questions we get through fast...
[14:32] YT Recreant: i got IMs
[14:32] YT Recreant: during the last two weeks
[14:32] YT Recreant: we spoke with many of the "chiefs" already, and the appearance got a lot better
[14:33] YT Recreant: so, in general, the topic of IMs was...
[14:33] YT Recreant: "Items not fitting he amazon" - like, flat screen TV panels in the trees...
[14:33] YT Recreant: then "furniture from before stone age, where poseballs are permarezzed on top" - that was novel in 2004, i guess
[14:34] YT Recreant: we wil even fix that for you if you have such a furniture, but really most often, there is a better alternative in mesh already on the market
[14:34] YT Recreant: floating text
[14:34] YT Recreant: we have had poseballs with "sit" floating permarezzed.. we have had many "this is tribe A, rules, click here" floating text" and we still see it here and there...
[14:34] YT Recreant: we try to avoid that..
[14:35] YT Recreant: i can give you scripts that work like our "sun sign stones"...
[14:35] Nuku Nemeth: ?
[14:35] YT Recreant: where the item notices someone walking nearby and then emits a text "hi, this is...." and the script has a memory, so it keeps the last 200 people in "mind" and does not babble each time
[14:35] Takoda (lassie): are those collision or sensor?
[14:35] YT Recreant: sensor, we can also use collision..
[14:35] YT Recreant: either
[14:35] YT Recreant: Nuku?
[14:37] YT Recreant: but while she types.. i want to repeat: i love how this grew.. and this meeting is mainly a "let us check our direction" so we all keep the same path
[14:38] YT Recreant: this meeting is sponsored by the Paw Me.. a barefoot tribe in the Amazon Forest.. one of the first Paw Me members is slut...
[14:39] YT Recreant plays a commercial jingle
[14:39] Winter (winterthyme) grins
[14:39] YT Recreant: which is by the way true, indeed, we made a tribe "Paw Me" before we made the Amazon
[14:39] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): I thought she belonged to the SpankMe tribe
[14:39] slut (xx.reyes): the pawmenians are a very ancient tupi tribe
[14:39] YT Recreant: rite that too, she shifts :D
[14:39] Nuku Nemeth: thigh is with the sun stones and wispers like that, is that, well they speak every time a av passes no matter if they have passed and gotten that info before, for one some people get anoyed by this as to them they see it as spam to them in there chats, so my question is, is there a script you may have that mearly offers the person a notecard when they enter a camp, so that if the person has seen the info before, they can just simply hit decline * takes the water and slips winter a cookie*
[14:40] slut (xx.reyes): all of my ancestor sluts ensured that i am well connected to most every tribe in the jungle.. plus a few alien civilizations as well
[14:40] Nuku Nemeth: and i was just told... you covered this... akkkk forgive me
[14:40] YT Recreant: i will add a script in the resources box.. that you can feed with a config notecard...
[14:41] YT Recreant: you can set in the script...
[14:41] Nuku Nemeth nods
[14:41] YT Recreant: "sensor speed".. "sensor range", and "action"
[14:41] YT Recreant: i will put out a new ressoruces box monday
[14:41] YT Recreant: then you can put it in the camps and use as you see fit
[14:41] YT Recreant: i will keep it in a way, that people who have no idea about scripts, can use it
[14:42] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): ?
[14:42] YT Recreant: shoot, Primo
[14:43] JustSylvi: can do that :)
[14:43] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Since the new sim was added, and the Bird quest has been moved, I have noticed the script for the quest still to be somewhere near the entrance to our camp, can this be removed or moved since the bird quest has been moved as well.
[14:43] YT Recreant: ah, that was an oversight of me :) it wil be fixed later today
[14:43] YT Recreant: thank you
[14:44] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): ?
[14:44] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): No problem or rush
[14:44] YT Recreant: yes, Rock? :)
[14:45] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): Ill make this simple. Being the pew pew fighting hass been dropped dramatically ..What reason is there for even having combat at times?
[14:45] YT Recreant smiles "i can address this after the building topic, let me go first to my last builder topic then, ok?
[14:46] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): ok
[14:46] YT Recreant: last topic - variety
[14:46] YT Recreant: *everyone* who travels a bit in SL has seen this cab
[14:47] YT Recreant: it is well known and stands around in any grunge/urban dirt corner
[14:47] YT Recreant: it ahs countless mods
[14:47] YT Recreant: and yet is always the same
[14:47] Nuku Nemeth screams in fear and hides behind primo
[14:47] YT Recreant: the metro cab, from arcadia asylum
[14:47] YT Recreant: nowadays known as Aly
[14:47] YT Recreant: the stuff is not bad.. i use it at times for my projects too
[14:48] YT Recreant: we had tho, last week.. a deja vu... like...
[14:48] YT Recreant: we cross Glint to Rio Grande and see Aly huts
[14:48] YT Recreant: then we enter Rio Solimoes and see?
[14:48] YT Recreant: riight
[14:48] YT Recreant: :) you get me
[14:48] YT Recreant: so.. please.. even tho they are affordable (0 zero zilch L$)
[14:49] YT Recreant: if you want them please at least retexture them
[14:49] YT Recreant: that was my topic about variety.. i reuse prefabs a lot.. in fact the pathway along the entire regions is from Alex Bader, used often in SL...
[14:49] YT Recreant: the difference is, i applied only a different texture
[14:50] YT Recreant: questions to that?
[14:51] YT Recreant: good, Rock asked about combat...
[14:51] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): yea
[14:51] YT Recreant: so.. well, here is the catch..
[14:52] YT Recreant: the new Amazon HUD *has* a meter inside.. but for me, that is only a part of the HUD.. i, myself, am more interested in scripting the quests, the locations, the HUD istelf, the EXP technics etc...
[14:52] YT Recreant: then..
[14:52] YT Recreant: we have a lot of people who really want to come here to just take pictures
[14:53] YT Recreant: and at the same time we have some, who want combat...
[14:53] YT Recreant: those who want combat, were pushign it further each weekend...
[14:53] YT Recreant: so that in the end we had already manpads (shoudler rocket launchers) vs cruise missiles (i am not makign this up) and launcehd by people who had their "Gorean Meter" on "AFK"
[14:54] YT Recreant: that, had to stop
[14:54] YT Recreant: so, we support CaRP. i myself love Carp, i met slut at Carp... etc
[14:54] slut (xx.reyes): yay!!!
[14:54] YT Recreant: in the public chat tho, i also pooint out, that our ressources are not revolving only around weapons and combat and hits registered
[14:55] YT Recreant: i will work on that the metert works more efficient
[14:55] Emilee Edenflower: ?
[14:55] YT Recreant: tomorrow on the council meeting we wil talk about ammo storage
[14:55] YT Recreant: and we will refine the points, health system and whatnot
[14:56] YT Recreant: but we should not send out the message each day "the Amazon HUD is a combat meter"
[14:56] YT Recreant: that will drive away all those who do not want combat
[14:56] YT Recreant: and it is infact not true, it is *not only* a combat meter
[14:56] YT Recreant: it is much mroe
[14:56] YT Recreant: tthere was a ?
[14:56] Chrysta (chrystalinia): relieved look*
[14:56] Winter (winterthyme): Emilee
[14:56] Emilee Edenflower: is there any plan to make the new hud tell you *who* shot you? or is it like this for the realism side of things?
[14:57] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox) my main point is pretty much say a tribe has differances an want to fight it out. with low shot rates. its sorta impossable
[14:57] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): thats all im saying
[14:57] YT Recreant: we could to that, the "who shot me"
[14:57] YT Recreant: we will let the council decide that, i am relaxed about that
[14:57] YT Recreant: i can discuss to put storage of ammo inside a tribes camp
[14:57] YT Recreant: i will *no* raise the number of arrows you can carry
[14:58] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): /
[14:58] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): ?
[14:58] YT Recreant: because then i could skip my work as well on the realism and go back to GM which is a very unreallistic meter
[14:58] YT Recreant: Emi still as follow up, then Primo
[14:58] Emilee Edenflower: i only say it because there are potshots taken still but if you cant see the person, it's kinda hard to turn it into a RP scenario if you dont know who - OR to report if they're griefing
[14:59] YT Recreant: i will thik about it, and then we talk about it tomorrow on the council more.. i can as well also have eeach "downing" reported to a local station .. any
[14:59] YT Recreant: Primo?
[14:59] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Mine is a two part
[15:00] YT Recreant: they cost double :)
[15:00] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): first if you put ammo drops in tribal camps, can it be set to tribe only?
[15:00] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): thats a two for one right?
[15:00] YT Recreant: :)
[15:00] YT Recreant: i have several ideas about Ammo...
[15:00] YT Recreant: one is for example...
[15:01] YT Recreant: a boat that drives up the river scripted. and you can rob it
[15:01] YT Recreant: one is, a heli flying across the jungle, dropping packs, randomly.. like "air supply"
[15:01] YT Recreant: one is, you colelct stuff, and make ammo..
[15:01] Asia Soy: ohhh sounds fun
[15:01] Emilee Edenflower: maybe all of those?
[15:02] Emilee Edenflower: variety spice of life and all
[15:02] Emilee Edenflower: :)
[15:02] grrrrrl: hello
[15:02] slut (xx.reyes): i like that last one :)
[15:02] YT Recreant: if its a box inside the camp.. and then "magically only clickable by tribe" it is .. uhm.. not convincing for me :)
[15:02] YT Recreant: if i were a raider...
[15:02] YT Recreant: and then i would be able to fight my way to that box..
[15:02] YT Recreant: and then it would be a "OOC - only clickable by..."
[15:02] YT Recreant: i would go home
[15:02] YT Recreant: that is no fun :)
[15:03] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Second as i wont be able to be here tomorrow, I do agree on the shot limit, but as you say you want realism, I feel I must ask why so low on the amount, a hunter would not go out with only 5 arrows, but maybe 10 and a warrior attacking a tribe in a raid would carry more but I dont suggest unlimited ammo, by any means
[15:03] Emilee Edenflower: could be locked? have "lockpicking" or something scripted in for non tribe
[15:03] Emilee Edenflower shushes now :$
[15:03] YT Recreant smiles
[15:04] YT Recreant: i like the feedback and ideas, do not get me wrong.. the fact that you suggest thigns, shows, that you are interested and are with us.. so, that is great...
[15:04] Nuku Nemeth: ^ x2 like allowing locked doors with a lockpicking minigame *sushes as well and hides*
[15:04] YT Recreant: the number of shots, i would say we suggest to the council meeting.. and on that note let me ask...
[15:05] YT Recreant: who else is NOT able to attend tomorrow? if the majority is not, we can also reschedule
[15:05] Emilee Edenflower: i probably cant as ithink it falls in the evening for me
[15:05] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): The time frame for me it starts too late, that is the time I must be at work tomorrow in RL
[15:05] village bike (brianna.aldridge): I will not be able to attend
[15:06] Winter (winterthyme): I am doubtful too - weekends are tricky
[15:06] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): I am not sure if i can make it or not. its gonna depend on time
[15:06] Nuku Nemeth: there is a slight chance i may not but i am going to try hard
[15:07] YT Recreant: very we-eell.. so.. is monday better?
[15:07] YT Recreant: same time?
[15:07] Winter (winterthyme): Yes
[15:07] Helen (helen.shilling): ?
[15:07] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox): what is the time for it?
[15:07] JustSylvi: 2pm
[15:07] YT Recreant: 2 PM SLT
[15:08] Emilee Edenflower: i think thats about 8pm GMT... so still unlikely for me :(
[15:08] YT Recreant: its 10 PM GMT
[15:08] Terrrence: Thats 10pm GMT
[15:08] Emilee Edenflower: even worse then
[15:08] Jared Way (nickyfood): 23:00 cet
[15:09] ρяїɱӧ ɱїʂʈωòóɖ (primo.mistwood): Monday would be better for me for sure for 2pm again at the latest SL time, but I'll hav eto save it for later I need to run to work RL now, paths to all
[15:09] YT Recreant: ok i will offer tomorrow two times on a vote tool and the one that gets more votes is it
[15:09] village bike (brianna.aldridge)'s head shakes "I will ask slut what happened. Monday is not possible for that time."
[15:09] YT Recreant: bye Primo...
[15:09] YT Recreant: and we have two qusetions
[15:09] Nuku Nemeth hugs primo tightly before he poofs
[15:09] YT Recreant: who was first?
[15:09] Winter (winterthyme): Takoda
[15:09] YT Recreant: ok, Shoot, Takoda
[15:09] Takoda (lassie): can anyone go or is it council only and is there a list of council members?
[15:10] YT Recreant: anyone can attend. the council is a new thing, as far as i know, within SL too, and will address even OOC stuff via IC tools...
[15:10] YT Recreant: attending can everyone
[15:11] YT Recreant: i will tell details tomorrow.. and since council needs land rights to work, like ban, eject, perma rezz.. only supporters can be in the council..
[15:11] YT Recreant: but we have no secrets everyone can join and listen
[15:11] YT Recreant: Helen ?
[15:11] Helen (helen.shilling): my question was the same....
[15:11] Helen (helen.shilling): Will this next one be an open meeting like this one is?
[15:11] Helen (helen.shilling): :-)
[15:11] YT Recreant: yes :)
[15:12] Takoda (lassie): ?
[15:12] YT Recreant: yes?
[15:12] YT Recreant: any ? left?
[15:12] Winter (winterthyme): Takoda
[15:12] Takoda (lassie): is this an IC coucil gathering or an OOC thing?
[15:13] YT Recreant: Council will be always mixed.. in a way.. let us look at a recent example...
[15:13] YT Recreant: someone walks up to an amazon visitor and calls her names, uncalled for, with no RP involved.. in other words, behaves like a dick...
[15:14] YT Recreant: council will work out rules for such, and ask guards to act upon these rules.. this way, the consequence for bad behaviiour is not a "ban by the anonymous sim owner"...
[15:14] YT Recreant: but it is something that arrives as a response from the residents of this island
[15:14] YT Recreant: IC
[15:14] YT Recreant: and the culprit learns, that it is frowned upon by everyone here, not only by the owner
[15:15] Emilee Edenflower: so.. IC decisions for sometimes OOC actions?
[15:15] YT Recreant: if applicable, yes.. it won't fly of course if someone arrives here and rezzes heavy griefer tools...
[15:15] YT Recreant: those, i will kick myself swiftly when around
[15:15] YT Recreant: but it wil work for a lot of things
[15:16] YT Recreant: it will actually work also for every case which would in other RP areas "call a mod" or so
[15:16] YT Recreant: i will demonstrate some tomorrow :)
[15:16] YT Recreant: or
[15:16] YT Recreant: not tomorrow
[15:16] YT Recreant: but when we meet
[15:16] YT Recreant: more ? :)
[15:17] YT Recreant: i am happy for your attention and time
[15:17] YT Recreant: thank you
[15:17] YT Recreant: you all have a beautiful day or evening
[15:17] Phil (ascri): thanks yt
[15:17] grrrrrl: i do not see anyone who represents riders, this is a meeting of natives and friends, and as such it is very biased and one-sided. thanks
[15:17] Asia Soy: thank you YT for creating such an amazing world
[15:17] Winter (winterthyme): Likewise - thanks everyone for your attention and your feedback and comments. Have fun!
[15:17] Helen (helen.shilling): thank you
[15:17] JustSylvi: thank you for your time as well
[15:17] YT Recreant smiles and bows
[15:17] Terrrence: Thank you both
[15:18] Snuff (amordoq): ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[15:18] Winter (winterthyme): grrrl - the meeting is open to anyone who wishes to attend and was publicised to all through group notioces and the blog
[15:18] Nuku Nemeth: its for everone grrrrrl, not one sided
[15:18] Asia Soy: yes thank you both, Winter too ^^
[15:18] Nuku Nemeth: oh.. she left already.. ah well
[15:19] YT Recreant: she wants a spanking :)
[15:19] YT Recreant: :)
[15:19] slut (xx.reyes) frowns.. "me?
[15:19] YT Recreant: no, grrrrl
[15:19] Rock (xoxrocky1945xox) lol ill snipe her later an take care of that spanking
[15:19] Asia Soy: yes, she is a rascal.... i know grrrrrl well
[15:19] slut (xx.reyes): ahh,, ok
[15:19] Winter (winterthyme): I declare the meeting closed!! *grins*

Thursday, July 10, 2014

Exploring: The Tricky Monkey

The weather was warm and humid and I swatted at bugs as I trudged through the jungle, birdsong filling the air.  In time I came upon a rough track. As I strode forward a chill ran through me - half concealed in the undergrowth a huge snake regarded me with its pitiless eye. I stepped carefully around it, fearing a strike.

Moving carefully onwards, I paused to admire a colony of frogs, hopping amongst the lily pads. I was tempted to catch one, but remembered that many of the amphibians here secrete a poison from their skin so contented myself with a snap for my journal.

Further along I noticed a curious arrangement of pillars - half concealing a strange figurine. My interest was piqued and I stepped closer to investigate.

A close view revealed some monstrous native deity, perhaps a Monkey God. As I studied the statue I seemed to hear a voice, a voice that required an answer to a most tricky riddle - and I knew that if I solved the riddle some gift would be given to me. But what, oh what is the answer?

Truly, the Amazon River never ceases to amaze!

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